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$101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

The Giant Noodle said:
Both sides suck my sweet potato.
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Just under the tax cuts in 2003, those making over $1 million get on average a $91,000 tax cut each year. Those making under $1 million get on average $100 each year. Is this what you consider equal sucking from the sweet potato?


But this has NOTHING to do with corporate matters.
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The Koch brothers were the largest campaign donor in Wisconsin. They gave the maximum amount to Walker's campaign. And, his lap dog conversation that was taped showed us who's side he is on. He also has budgeted about the same amount in tax cuts to corporations as the amount he wants to cut from the education budget. So, to say this issue has nothing to do with corporate matters seems a little naieve.


This has everything to do with teachers unions greed and arrogance. Their mafia-like tactics are hopefully coming to an end.
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Are you talking about how they negotiate with their employers for the compensation for their services and the material needs of their students? How horrible!!!
 
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OhIsee.Then said:
I have been unable to find the source of the “the average MPS teacher would receive total compensation of $101,091 -- $59,500 in salary and $41,591 in benefits.” The 59,500 seems about correct but the $41,591 seems specious to me. Where did this amount really come from?
When I went to Salary.com Salary Wizard™- Do you know what you're worth? with a Milwaukee zip I found:

Averages for 53219, Milwaukee, WI
Teacher Elementary School

Core Compensation Median
Base Salary $52,453
Bonuses $0
Social Security $4,013
401K/403B $0
Disability $0
Healthcare $0
Pension $0
Time Off $0
Total Compensation $56,466
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I'm sure there will be those that think $56,000 is too much as well. I actully had one person suggest that education should be a matter of charity that one could support or not.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Arent these State union people twisted!?!? Look at what their signs say below. Power and Greed? Thats the UNION! The state unions are ALL about power and greed. (So is the GOP but not in this matter) All these union mafia types have to do is Strike and.... they get raises! And thats pretty much every union. Nearly every year in Illinois suburbs there were teacher strikes. Every damn year THEY got raises. If they actually WORKED 12 months out of the year their salary not including benefits would be on AVERAGE $98,000!!! No teacher is worth that. I could possibly see the most senior of supervisors but not a teacher. These people have to stop their greed! The private sector has taken major hits in the last few years and THEY are to support EXTEMELY unrealistic salaries in the public sector?? HELL NO!!!! :no:

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I think those people ought to be ashamed of themselves for bringing in people with Downs Syndrome to hold their signs for them.

Someone made a pretty poignant point...its not wrong for people to ask for what the market will bear with regard to fair compensation. However...there may come a time when the market will no longer sustain what it previously bore. At that point there has to be either layoffs or salary/compensation cuts. Just the way it is.
 
Catawba said:
I'm sure there will be those that think $56,000 is too much as well. I actully had one person suggest that education should be a matter of charity that one could support or not.
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Average Total Yearly Compensation For Milwaukee Teachers: $101,000 Here's where the $101,000 came from. I would not readily accept it as fact.

Yours neither, as Milwaukee teachers do not pay into social security and, of course, they all receive healthcare benefits.

Edit: Here's a link re $101,000 that you can take to the bank: http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...r-institute-says-average-annual-salary-and-b/

The posting quoted MPS’ budget manager as saying that in 2011-2012 (the fiscal year that begins July 1, 2011), the average MPS teacher would receive total compensation of $101,091 -- $59,500 in salary and $41,591 in benefits. We double-checked with MPS spokeswoman Roseann St. Aubin and she confirmed the figures.
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Catawba said:
Just under the tax cuts in 2003, those making over $1 million get on average a $91,000 tax cut each year. Those making under $1 million get on average $100 each year. Is this what you consider equal sucking from the sweet potato?




The Koch brothers were the largest campaign donor in Wisconsin. They gave the maximum amount to Walker's campaign. And, his lap dog conversation that was taped showed us who's side he is on. He also has budgeted about the same amount in tax cuts to corporations as the amount he wants to cut from the education budget. So, to say this issue has nothing to do with corporate matters seems a little naieve.




Are you talking about how they negotiate with their employers for the compensation for their services and the material needs of their students? How horrible!!!
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Yes I hate both sides equally but I appreciate your tax info!
If I knew he was going to repeal the rights of state unions I would have chipped in too. I hate...... HAAAATE state unions. They are evil.

And these "negotiation" tactics you mention? They should have no right to stop work to squeeze other people out of their tax dollars. They Strike..... they should be fired. They need to join what is called reality. Unions are the Charlie Sheen of the work force:roll:
 
MaggieD said:
Average Total Yearly Compensation For Milwaukee Teachers: $101,000 Here's where the $101,000 came from. I would not readily accept it as fact.

Yours neither, as Milwaukee teachers do not pay into social security and, of course, they all receive healthcare benefits.

Edit: Here's a link re $101,000 that you can take to the bank: http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...r-institute-says-average-annual-salary-and-b/
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Salary.com didn’t indicate that SS was paid by the employee, but was a part of the compensation package. Sorry I wasn’t quite clear.
I have more trust in since it is a pay for info site that does all professions in most US locations.
Just looking for the correct answer.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
Salary.com didn’t indicate that SS was paid by the employee, but was a part of the compensation package. Sorry I wasn’t quite clear.
I have more trust in since it is a pay for info site that does all professions in most US locations.
Just looking for the correct answer.
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You have more trust in salary.com than the link I provided? I just don't know what to say. Neither Milwaukee public school teachers nor their employers pay into the social security system. Every Milwaukee public school teacher has healthcare benefits. The link is wrong. If that's the way you look for correct answers, you are, and will remain, very uninformed.
 
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The Giant Noodle said:
Yes I hate both sides equally but I appreciate your tax info!
If I knew he was going to repeal the rights of state unions I would have chipped in too. I hate...... HAAAATE state unions. They are evil.

And these "negotiation" tactics you mention? They should have no right to stop work to squeeze other people out of their tax dollars. They Strike..... they should be fired. They need to join what is called reality. Unions are the Charlie Sheen of the work force:roll:
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Collective bargaining which is conducted with taxpayer represenatives is an alternative to strikes.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
I have been unable to find the source of the “the average MPS teacher would receive total compensation of $101,091 --
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Thats because the story is BS. The Weekly Standard the usual set of suspects.:roll:
 
Since when do we let the poorly educated determine the pay of the educated? If we do that, retail sales staff with little or no education beyond HS will hamstring education.
It there are no incentives to get an education, we will all end up stoopid....working for slave wages under the thumbs of the few who educated themselves...
 
UtahBill said:
Since when do we let the poorly educated determine the pay of the educated? If we do that, retail sales staff with little or no education beyond HS will hamstring education.
It there are no incentives to get an education, we will all end up stoopid....working for slave wages under the thumbs of the few who educated themselves...
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Since America came under the control of Republican dipwads, again.
 
UtahBill said:
Since when do we let the poorly educated determine the pay of the educated? If we do that, retail sales staff with little or no education beyond HS will hamstring education.
It there are no incentives to get an education, we will all end up stoopid....working for slave wages under the thumbs of the few who educated themselves...
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The current thinking seems to be whichever state is willing to have the stupidist kids wins!
 
You know what is odd? I am a college dropout with 1 year of college. I have few singular skills other than a willingness to work. I have made more per year than Milwalkee schoolteachers. That strikes me as wrong.
 
Redress said:
You know what is odd? I am a college dropout with 1 year of college. I have few singular skills other than a willingness to work. I have made more per year than Milwalkee schoolteachers. That strikes me as wrong.
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The one thing I know from our brief association on DP is that Redress is far, FAR from average. I know where you stand on this issue, though, and I respect that. We've been on the merry-go-round before. ;)

Me? No college at all. Started my own business at 19; ran it for 20 years; retired. Doesn't strike me at all odd that I make more than a Milwaukee school teacher.
 
MaggieD said:
The one thing I know from our brief association on DP is that Redress is far, FAR from average. I know where you stand on this issue, though, and I respect that. We've been on the merry-go-round before. ;)

Me? No college at all. Started my own business at 19; ran it for 20 years; retired. Doesn't strike me at all odd that I make more than a Milwaukee school teacher.
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I was making my money in a factory, doing what is joking called unskilled labor. I worked alot of overtime to get 60k, but it was doable.
 
and if public school teachers worked those kinda hours instead of their 181 seven hour days...

i waited tables three nites a week for ten years, tuesdays, fridays and saturdays, year round

i worked summer school for probably a dozen

i made bank, paid off my house (california east bay) by age 51

to each his own, stay up
 
The Prof said:
and if public school teachers worked those kinda hours instead of their 181 seven hour days...

i waited tables three nites a week for ten years, tuesdays, fridays and saturdays, year round

i worked summer school for probably a dozen

i made bank, paid off my house (california east bay) by age 51

to each his own, stay up
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I did not have a college education, never had to bring my work home, had no requirements for contunued education, did not have to deal with annoying little kids...
 
Redress said:
I did not have a college education, never had to bring my work home, had no requirements for contunued education, did not have to deal with annoying little kids...
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we have annoying people here at DP, you know that, right?:2razz:
 
Redress said:
I was making my money in a factory, doing what is joking called unskilled labor. I worked alot of overtime to get 60k, but it was doable.
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Some day, I really believe that "unskilled labor" will be the highest paying job of all. My mother worked in a factory for 30 years. If I asked her, she would say she was "unskilled labor," worked on a frying pan line boxing up fry pans. I could have never done her job. Never!! I would have pecked myself bald-headed after a week.

I had an occasion to watch professional movers one hot summer day for several hours. They worked like freaking dogs. Unskilled? Yes. Wearing out their bodies? You betcha'.

Tom worked unskilled jobs--he's got bad knees, arthritis in his hands. Has deafness from noise on the factory floor. These are the real workers. Not desk jockeys. No. Not desk jockeys.
 
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Doesn't matter how much they are payed if it is needed, but if we get waiting lines for beeing a teacher then the wages should go down. Their wage should be dependant on supply and demand and not on what we think is fair, pay should be based on merit and bad teachers should be fired. In only that way we can ensure that teachers keep a high quality. Do you think a bad teacher deserve 100K USD dollars.

Other states pay a lot less than Wisconsin and get enough qualified teachers. Also, if you compare with for instance social democratic Sweden who has a lot of problems like crime, but no budget deficit problem. Full time teachers in Sweden earn an average of 45000 USD dollars with compensations. Their take home pay after taxes and compensations are 26500 USD. However in "capitalist" America teachers earn 100K in average after compensation. It's just ridiculous.
 
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Redress said:
I did not have a college education
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that's cool

never had to bring my work home
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few of us do, but english teachers sometimes are burdened with hundreds of pages of tedious, even depressing reading material

i once was included in an inservice that taught us how to grade an essay in 60 seconds---but that still meant 3 hours to get thru a class load

had no requirements for contunued education
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we are well compensated, every 15 units moves us over on the pay scale, and many of us have found correspondence classes that make earning units a piece of cake

did not have to deal with annoying little kids...
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there's worse things
 
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Camlon said:
Doesn't matter how much they are payed if it is needed, but if we get waiting lines for beeing a teacher then the wages should go down. Their wage should be dependant on supply and demand and not on what we think is fair, pay should be based on merit and bad teachers should be fired. In only that way we can ensure that teachers keep a high quality. Do you think a bad teacher deserve 100K USD dollars.

Other states pay a lot less than Wisconsin and get enough qualified teachers. Also, if you compare with for instance social democratic Sweden who has a lot of problems like crime, but no budget deficit problem. Full time teachers in Sweden earn an average of 45000 USD dollars with compensations. Their take home pay after taxes and compensations are 26500 USD. However in "capitalist" America teachers earn 100K in average after compensation. It's just ridiculous.
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what does after compensation mean ?
 
UtahBill said:
what does after compensation mean ?
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It means take home pay. In america that would be about 45000 USD dollars for teachers. With indirect taxes included it is about 40000 USD dollars in the US and 19000 dollars in Sweden. Also, you can't really argue that teachers in Sweden recieve better benefits than American teachers, because they don't. American teachers recieve better health care and better pensions.
 
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Camlon said:
It means take home pay. In america that would be about 45000 USD dollars for teachers. With indirect taxes included it is about 40000 USD dollars in the US and 19000 dollars in Sweden. Also, you can't really argue that teachers in Sweden recieve better benefits than American teachers, because they don't. American teachers recieve better health care and better pensions.
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compensation is pay, so how can "after pay", be pay?
don't know where you are getting your numbers, but not all states are the same. The state of AZ/Peoria School district didn't contribute one dime to her retirement. They paid her health care insurance but to add family was about $1,000 per MONTH....
Any classes she took for advancement purposes or to enhance skills were also out of her own pocket.
Wisconsin, Illinois, NY, etc. are not representative of the entire USA.
 
yes, i bought units from fresno pacific university, thru-the-mail education, for 110 dollars each

it cost me 1650 therefore for every block of 15 units that moved me over a column, earning me a raise of about 1500 per year for life

i maxed out, of course, years ago

but i sent a lot of money to fresno pacific

they still mail me their exciting new courses a couple times a year, a lot of bed and breakfast tours in historic sacramento, yosemite, the coast...

i learned to pick the classes (actually, it was the "professors" that were the giveaway) which assigned the least work---motivating high school athletes, walking for health, great women mathematicians, discipline in the classroom...

quite a few others

i could crank out three SEMESTER units easily in an afternoon or two---in front of the tv

make of that what you will

i'd send money to an educational institution, i'd fill out a few dittoes, i'd mail it back

i'd get a nice raise from MY educational institution

i always thought it was kind of a racket

but, hey, that's the INDUSTRY

stay up
 
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