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$101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

UtahBill said:
and minimum wage for elected officials.....
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The minimum wage would go shoot up faster than bob dole after consuming his pay for those commercials he did in the 90s.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
I know EXACTLY what a teacher does. I could walk into a school and have little problem on the first day doing what they do..... and thats with zero training. My good friend is a teacher.... I dated two teachers. What they do is EASY! Even my friend said "its a cake walk"!!!!
So YOU sir can not tell me otherwise!!!
Sure their job is important..... a truck drivers job is VERY important. A guy that plow the road when it snows.... THAT job is very important. A salesmans job is very important! A soildiers job is VERY important.

Your view of teachers is WRONG!!!!! Wrong wrong wrong!!!!
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so all teachers have the same easy job? english teachers have it as easy as PE teachers or math teachers?
You over simplify the issue, you only think you can do the job.
If you have a degree, or otherwise meet the requirements to be a substiture, sign up....see what it is really like.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Hmmmmmmmm........ :?

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that is why you fail ;)

no one uses wikipedia for anything related to star wars!

true story.

Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki
 
megaprogman said:
Then you are not a regular person

Teacher dropout rate higher than students' | TimesDaily.com | The Times Daily | Florence, AL

The burnout rate is very high.
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Part of that might be that females outnumber males in teaching, especially in K thru 6, and often leave to start a family. My wife started teaching after our youngest started first grade.
I think actual burnout is a lower number than the article implies.

Part of that might be that females outnumber males in teaching, especially in K thru 6, and often leave to start a family. I think actual burnout is a lower number.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
But doctors jobs are difficult. They EARN their money. Same with the military. Very tough job! Police... meh. It depends where their jobs are. Its not easy, not nearly as hard as military or doctors. Teachers.... very easy. Fire fighters..... usually a cake walk. Its rare when its difficult. Hence why so many police officers hate fire fighters. There was usually a rivalry there. Police saying FF'ers sit on their ass and cook 95% of the time and the time I worked with them I found that to be 100% accurate.
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so now firefighters are on your hit list? What do YOU do?
 
UtahBill said:
Part of that might be that females outnumber males in teaching, especially in K thru 6, and often leave to start a family. My wife started teaching after our youngest started first grade.
I think actual burnout is a lower number than the article implies.

Part of that might be that females outnumber males in teaching, especially in K thru 6, and often leave to start a family. I think actual burnout is a lower number.
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Are you sure??

UtahBill said:
so now firefighters are on your hit list? What do YOU do?
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Maybe he's a pinkerton :2razz:
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Which is a WHOPPING 30 hours a week..... nine months a year. They dont deserve a penny more than $27K a year. Dude! Thats TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS AN HOUR!!! Thats MORE than enough! If they worked like a normal person ....... 40 hours a week...... 12 months a year they would make $48K a year at that wage! And that is at my $27K amount! These people are making $60 a freakin HOUR!!! How in the HELL can you say they deserve that!?!?!? Working in retail is twice as difficult (according to my friend who is a teacher)
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I have never seen a school that is open only 30 hours a week....where is the one you speak of?
My wife got there at 7 AM, well ahead of the students, and left typically a half hour or more after the students left. She had playgrouind duties, lunch room duties, detention duties, etc. She brought work home with her too often. English teachers have to read all those assignments. They don't grade themselves. Then she has to put all those grades on the computer.
 
Nevergolfpar said:
There is no way you can defend teachers being paid over $100,000 per year. When you factor in where the United States ranks in the world in education verses how much we spend per pupil, we are grossly overpaying our teachers. Our teachers are not getting the job done and their pay needs to be reflective of this fact. The adage 'you get what you pay for' is obviously not applied to teachers.
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When a school turns out college ready students, the teachers are doing their jobs.... The material is being presented. Don't blame teachers for lazy students and uncaring parents..
 
The Giant Noodle said:
According to my calculations.... we are paying these teachers $92.59 a FREAKIN HOUR!!!
No WONDER why States and cities have no money!!!!! Thats just for teachers! Now Im REALLLY PISSED!!!!!!!!!! :2mad::alert:2mad::badpc:
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Calm down, you are whizzing into the wind...the system won't change because YOU don't like it.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Ohhhh GEEEEEE.... thats so HARD. They have to buy paper n' stuff!?!? And they have to expand their SIX HOUR work day sometimes!?!? Awwwwww :( BOO FREAKIN' HOOOOO!!!!!! Especially when they are getting paid almost a $100 an HOUR with their pay and benefits!!! Tax payers are getting robbed!
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are you a taxpayer?
 
Kandahar said:
Except there's a problem with this reasoning:

None of those skills are actually required to either find or keep a teaching job. In fact, no skills of any kind are typically required, other than having a piece of paper saying you have a degree in Education. In some cities, even regular attendance at work isn't required to keep a teaching job.

Yes, I know that you agree that it should be easier to fire teachers. But let's look at the system as it currently is, instead of the way we wish it was. Right now, there is absolutely no reason that teachers should be earning $100K for a job that requires almost nothing of them. Hopefully that will change if the union is busted, but one thing at a time.
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No skills? then you should be able to teach, right?
 
UtahBill said:
so now firefighters are on your hit list? What do YOU do?
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Oh.... they were never off my list. I sold two way radios, dispatch equipment among other related services and devices to public safety and school districts for about 5 years. Why??? What do YOU do?? :roll:
 
megaprogman said:
No! All you have to do is just go in and write stuff on the chalk board and the kids will magically pay attention and care! Its so easy!

Also, has anyone else noticed that Noodle has not paid any attention to any of the facts presented to him?
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facts don't enter into wrong headed thinking....
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Youre right man..... obviously I cant TEACH you anything. Im here giving you hardcore FACTS. My facts are taken directly from the article! How can you dispute that!?!? I know what teachers do.... THEY tell me what they do.
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how many is "they", and why aren't "they" here supporting you?
 
Pedagogy is not easy.
 
Kandahar said:
But even for these things, as long as you put in the hours you usually get a rubber-stamp approval from the school saying that you're qualified based on your student teaching experience. If this was not the case, then there wouldn't be so many bad teachers in the first place. Schools are very conflict-averse.



In many places, tenure is a mere formality. Some teachers essentially have lifetime job security from the first day they walked into the classroom.
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bull, back that up if you can....
 
Kandahar said:
If there are other qualified people willing to do the job for less, why would you pay more than you have to? The money saved could be used to hire MORE teachers.
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For less? where do I sign up?
Do we need more teachers? I thought there was a long line, a 3 year waiting list.....according to Giant Noodle...
 
UtahBill said:
I have never seen a school that is open only 30 hours a week....where is the one you speak of?
My wife got there at 7 AM, well ahead of the students, and left typically a half hour or more after the students left. She had playgrouind duties, lunch room duties, detention duties, etc. She brought work home with her too often. English teachers have to read all those assignments. They don't grade themselves. Then she has to put all those grades on the computer.
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First..... Im pretty darn sure the MAJOR of Chicago knows what he is talking about regarding hours. Ok lets just say they work 8 hours a day. So now they only make $69.44 an hour. Now to tackle these duties.......

playgrouind duties: Standing around
lunch room duties: Standing around and sitting
detention duties: Sitting
Gee.... that has to be BRUTAL. Wow! Thats $60 - $92 an hour worth of tax money well spent! :sarcasticclap
 
UtahBill said:
For less? where do I sign up?
Do we need more teachers? I thought there was a long line, a 3 year waiting list.....according to Giant Noodle...
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Your logic on this makes no sense at all.
Now if the unions actually CARED about those kids (which they dont) then they wouldnt be asking for a HUGE amount of money. See if they were getting paid $27K a year ($25 an hour) then we could hire more teachers to better teach the children.... and there are people that would LOVE to have that kind of job being a teacher.

See! Its easy :)
 
UtahBill said:
bull, back that up if you can....
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A Google away . . .

* Out of 95,000 tenured teachers in Illinois an average of seven are fired each year, two for poor performance and five for misconduct.

* Eighty-four percent of Illinois' school districts have never given any tenured teacher a bad job evaluation during an 11-year period.

* Over a five-year period school districts that retained attorneys and attempted to fire a tenured teacher spent an average $219,000 per case in legal fees alone.

``When a school board decides to invest the staff time and money into firing a tenured teacher, we are usually talking about someone pretty bad at their job. The cases that come before a tenure hearing officer are almost always for those who are the worst in the profession,'' said Larry Janes, a former school superintendent and a consultant to the Illinois Principals' Association.

Even so, school boards lose one-third of the cases heard by tenure hearing officers. But even if a hearing officer upholds the firing of teacher, they are free to seek employment in another school district.

In fact, none of the tenured teachers fired in the last decade have had subsequent action taken to revoke or suspend their teaching certificates.
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http://hiddenviolations.com/stories/?prcss=display&id=358596
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Your logic on this makes no sense at all.
Now if the unions actually CARED about those kids (which they dont) then they wouldnt be asking for a HUGE amount of money. See if they were getting paid $27K a year ($25 an hour) then we could hire more teachers to better teach the children.... and there are people that would LOVE to have that kind of job being a teacher.

See! Its easy :)
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Noodle... this makes no sense. At that salary, not only would you have trouble hiring good people to teach, you'd have problems hiring anyone. So, there would be LESS teachers, and WORSE teachers.

This is why your position is not logical.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Oh.... they were never off my list. I sold two way radios, dispatch equipment among other related services and devices to public safety and school districts for about 5 years. Why??? What do YOU do?? :roll:
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sales? SALES? any halfwit off the street can be cleaned up and taught sales....the cleaning up is harder than the training, usually....:2razz:

I graduated from 3 of the best technical schools the Navy has, Electronics A and B schools, 9 months each, all day, 5 days a week, and the biggie, Nuclear Power School, a solid year of busting your butt. Also have 3 years of college towards a bachelors in technology, but quit when I was offered a good job that requried me to move to AZ. I say required, the 50% pay raise was what "required" me to move...Been a metrology tech as well.
 
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