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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And I disagree. The volume of qualified teachers has nothing to do with the importance of the job.
    No, but it should have plenty to do with their compensation. As long as there exists a volume of qualified teachers, they should NOT command such high salaries. Simple supply and demand.

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    Exorbitant is your opinion. And I already said that I agree with the difficult of getting rid of bad teachers. I disagree with the lack of merit pay, too.
    Saying you oppose merit pay and total job security is one thing...but the fact is that it exists right now. Well let's get those problems straightened out before we pay out $100K for nine months of services (or for more accurate comparison with other employees, $130K for twelve months of services). Otherwise, we're just paying huge salaries for a position that requires minimal qualifications, has near-total job security, and has a surplus of workers willing and able to do it.

    Maybe THEN we can talk about paying teachers more to recruit more capable teachers.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I disagree, because if they worked more months of the year, likely their salary would go up to compensate.
    Right, that's my point. The real cost of a teacher is about $130K per twelve months of services rendered.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    According to my calculations.... we are paying these teachers $92.59 a FREAKIN HOUR!!!
    No WONDER why States and cities have no money!!!!! Thats just for teachers! Now Im REALLLY PISSED!!!!!!!!!!
    As I pointed out, your calculations likely do not take into account much of what teachers do.

    This is likely more accurate

    http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...er/Hourly_Rate
    Multiply it by 2 for benefits if you want.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Right, that's my point. The real cost of a teacher is about $130K per twelve months of services rendered.
    No, the real cost is 100k because that is what is contained in the paychecks and benefits. What you are doing is similar to looking at a part time employee and calculating their wage as if they were full time, which they are not.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The cost is still 100k/yr. It is not masked.

    Annualize it all you like, but when you annualize something which already has its rate expressed in annual terms, you're not changing it. Annualizing 100k/yr yields 100k/yr.
    By this logic, teachers could decide to take off three months in the fall too (while keeping the same salary/benefits), and the cost to taxpayers wouldn't change. In dollar terms, perhaps that is true. But in the value that they got for their tax dollars, it most definitely would.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Except for going in early and late to get the classroom ready for lessons. Providing their own materials, such as paper. Grading papers after hours and on weekends. Lesson planning. Meetings with parents or the administration. Required extra curricular activities, such as fund raisers. Training to maintain certification. etc.

    Teachers do more than simply show up at a school.
    Ohhhh GEEEEEE.... thats so HARD. They have to buy paper n' stuff!?!? And they have to expand their SIX HOUR work day sometimes!?!? Awwwwww BOO FREAKIN' HOOOOO!!!!!! Especially when they are getting paid almost a $100 an HOUR with their pay and benefits!!! Tax payers are getting robbed!
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    How does it compare to other compensation packages?
    This is what I want to know.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Ohhhh GEEEEEE.... thats so HARD. They have to buy paper n' stuff!?!? And they have to expand their SIX HOUR work day sometimes!?!? Awwwwww BOO FREAKIN' HOOOOO!!!!!! Especially when they are getting paid almost a $100 an HOUR with their pay and benefits!!! Tax payers are getting robbed!
    One example I can think of is the fact that my sunday school class is full of teachers and the general consensus is that they do work related activities outside of work somewhere around 15 or 20 hours a week. The special Ed teacher is doing around 30.

    At least according to their little side conversations with each other that I hear.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    But doctors jobs are difficult. They EARN their money. Same with the military. Very tough job! Police... meh. It depends where their jobs are. Its not easy, not nearly as hard as military or doctors. Teachers.... very easy. Fire fighters..... usually a cake walk. Its rare when its difficult. Hence why so many police officers hate fire fighters. There was usually a rivalry there. Police saying FF'ers sit on their ass and cook 95% of the time and the time I worked with them I found that to be 100% accurate.
    Again, this is nothing but your unsubstantiated opinion. Teachers jobs have a lot of difficulty to them. Understanding the topic, understanding how to teach the topic, understanding how to teach the topic in a variety of ways to a variety of different learning styles, understanding how to manage a classroom, how to manage difficult kids, how to keep kids focused/interested, etc... You have no idea what it is like to be a teacher.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Again, this is nothing but your unsubstantiated opinion. Teachers jobs have a lot of difficulty to them. Understanding the topic, understanding how to teach the topic, understanding how to teach the topic in a variety of ways to a variety of different learning styles, understanding how to manage a classroom, how to manage difficult kids, how to keep kids focused/interested, etc... You have no idea what it is like to be a teacher.
    Except there's a problem with this reasoning:

    None of those skills are actually required to either find or keep a teaching job. In fact, no skills of any kind are typically required, other than having a piece of paper saying you have a degree in Education. In some cities, even regular attendance at work isn't required to keep a teaching job.

    Yes, I know that you agree that it should be easier to fire teachers. But let's look at the system as it currently is, instead of the way we wish it was. Right now, there is absolutely no reason that teachers should be earning $100K for a job that requires almost nothing of them. Hopefully that will change if the union is busted, but one thing at a time.
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