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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes you can, because the taxpayers are not getting any service from the teachers for 25% of the year.
    Nor are the teachers receiving salary for that 25% of the year. That equals things out.

    If other public agencies decided that they were going to start taking summers off, but still charge the taxpayers the same amount as before for their salaries/benefits, wouldn't you see a problem with that? By the same token, it makes perfect sense to annualize teachers' salaries to compare how much we're paying teachers in proportion to the benefit they provide.
    If teachers are paid X amount per year, they are being paid for the time they are working.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    And that's a shame. I look at monetary compensation as a refection on the importance to society... and I see certain areas of public service, professions that are an intregal part of holding together the fabric of society as being the most important. Those that should be compensated the most would include those in the military, teachers, the police, firefighters, and physicians.
    But doctors jobs are difficult. They EARN their money. Same with the military. Very tough job! Police... meh. It depends where their jobs are. Its not easy, not nearly as hard as military or doctors. Teachers.... very easy. Fire fighters..... usually a cake walk. Its rare when its difficult. Hence why so many police officers hate fire fighters. There was usually a rivalry there. Police saying FF'ers sit on their ass and cook 95% of the time and the time I worked with them I found that to be 100% accurate.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Question, is this a thread discussing teacher salary or an episode of "the world according to The Giant Noodle"?

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    If they receive 100k in compensation per year, then over the course of a whole year--the annualizing part--they receive 100k.
    I hope that makes sense.
    If they receive $100K in compensation per year, but only provide the taxpayers with their service for 75% of the year, then this masks the true cost of the service relative to the amount of service rendered.

    Just like if I do some consulting work for Client A and charge them $300 for four hours of my time, and then do some work for Client B and charge them $300 for two hours of my time, who paid more? Yes, their bill was the same amount of dollars...but I think it's pretty obvious that Client B paid a lot more.

    By the same token, it's perfectly fair to annualize the cost of teachers for comparison, since unlike most other employees they are providing no services for a significant fraction of the year.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Nor are the teachers receiving salary for that 25% of the year. That equals things out.



    If teachers are paid X amount per year, they are being paid for the time they are working.
    Which is a WHOPPING 30 hours a week..... nine months a year. They dont deserve a penny more than $27K a year. Dude! Thats TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS AN HOUR!!! Thats MORE than enough! If they worked like a normal person ....... 40 hours a week...... 12 months a year they would make $48K a year at that wage! And that is at my $27K amount! These people are making $60 a freakin HOUR!!! How in the HELL can you say they deserve that!?!?!? Working in retail is twice as difficult (according to my friend who is a teacher)
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If they receive $100K in compensation per year, but only provide the taxpayers with their service for 75% of the year, then this masks the true cost of the service relative to the amount of service rendered.

    Just like if I do some consulting work for Client A and charge them $300 for four hours of my time, and then do some work for Client B and charge them $300 for two hours of my time, who paid more? Yes, their bill was the same amount of dollars...but I think it's pretty obvious that Client B paid a lot more.

    By the same token, it's perfectly fair to annualize the cost of teachers for comparison, since unlike most other employees they aren't working for a significant fraction of the year.
    I disagree, because if they worked more months of the year, likely their salary would go up to compensate.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, I think this is completely appropriate compensation.
    There is no way you can defend teachers being paid over $100,000 per year. When you factor in where the United States ranks in the world in education verses how much we spend per pupil, we are grossly overpaying our teachers. Our teachers are not getting the job done and their pay needs to be reflective of this fact. The adage 'you get what you pay for' is obviously not applied to teachers.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If they receive $100K in compensation per year, but only provide the taxpayers with their service for 75% of the year, then this masks the true cost of the service relative to the amount of service rendered.
    The cost is still 100k/yr. It is not masked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    By the same token, it's perfectly fair to annualize the cost of teachers for comparison, since unlike most other employees they aren't working for a significant fraction of the year.
    Annualize it all you like, but when you annualize something which already has its rate expressed in annual terms, you're not changing it. Annualizing 100k/yr yields 100k/yr.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    Which is a WHOPPING 30 hours a week..... nine months a year. They dont deserve a penny more than $27K a year. Dude! Thats TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS AN HOUR!!! Thats MORE than enough! If they worked like a normal person ....... 40 hours a week...... 12 months a year they would make $48K a year at that wage! And that is at my $27K amount! These people are making $60 a freakin HOUR!!! How in the HELL can you say they deserve that!?!?!? Working in retail is twice as difficult (according to my friend who is a teacher)
    Except for going in early and late to get the classroom ready for lessons. Providing their own materials, such as paper. Grading papers after hours and on weekends. Lesson planning. Meetings with parents or the administration. Required extra curricular activities, such as fund raisers. Training to maintain certification. etc.

    Teachers do more than simply show up at a school.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    According to my calculations.... we are paying these teachers $92.59 a FREAKIN HOUR!!!
    No WONDER why States and cities have no money!!!!! Thats just for teachers! Now Im REALLLY PISSED!!!!!!!!!!
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