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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did not have a college education
    that's cool

    never had to bring my work home
    few of us do, but english teachers sometimes are burdened with hundreds of pages of tedious, even depressing reading material

    i once was included in an inservice that taught us how to grade an essay in 60 seconds---but that still meant 3 hours to get thru a class load

    had no requirements for contunued education
    we are well compensated, every 15 units moves us over on the pay scale, and many of us have found correspondence classes that make earning units a piece of cake

    did not have to deal with annoying little kids...
    there's worse things
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Doesn't matter how much they are payed if it is needed, but if we get waiting lines for beeing a teacher then the wages should go down. Their wage should be dependant on supply and demand and not on what we think is fair, pay should be based on merit and bad teachers should be fired. In only that way we can ensure that teachers keep a high quality. Do you think a bad teacher deserve 100K USD dollars.

    Other states pay a lot less than Wisconsin and get enough qualified teachers. Also, if you compare with for instance social democratic Sweden who has a lot of problems like crime, but no budget deficit problem. Full time teachers in Sweden earn an average of 45000 USD dollars with compensations. Their take home pay after taxes and compensations are 26500 USD. However in "capitalist" America teachers earn 100K in average after compensation. It's just ridiculous.
    what does after compensation mean ?
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    what does after compensation mean ?
    It means take home pay. In america that would be about 45000 USD dollars for teachers. With indirect taxes included it is about 40000 USD dollars in the US and 19000 dollars in Sweden. Also, you can't really argue that teachers in Sweden recieve better benefits than American teachers, because they don't. American teachers recieve better health care and better pensions.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    It means take home pay. In america that would be about 45000 USD dollars for teachers. With indirect taxes included it is about 40000 USD dollars in the US and 19000 dollars in Sweden. Also, you can't really argue that teachers in Sweden recieve better benefits than American teachers, because they don't. American teachers recieve better health care and better pensions.
    compensation is pay, so how can "after pay", be pay?
    don't know where you are getting your numbers, but not all states are the same. The state of AZ/Peoria School district didn't contribute one dime to her retirement. They paid her health care insurance but to add family was about $1,000 per MONTH....
    Any classes she took for advancement purposes or to enhance skills were also out of her own pocket.
    Wisconsin, Illinois, NY, etc. are not representative of the entire USA.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    yes, i bought units from fresno pacific university, thru-the-mail education, for 110 dollars each

    it cost me 1650 therefore for every block of 15 units that moved me over a column, earning me a raise of about 1500 per year for life

    i maxed out, of course, years ago

    but i sent a lot of money to fresno pacific

    they still mail me their exciting new courses a couple times a year, a lot of bed and breakfast tours in historic sacramento, yosemite, the coast...

    i learned to pick the classes (actually, it was the "professors" that were the giveaway) which assigned the least work---motivating high school athletes, walking for health, great women mathematicians, discipline in the classroom...

    quite a few others

    i could crank out three SEMESTER units easily in an afternoon or two---in front of the tv

    make of that what you will

    i'd send money to an educational institution, i'd fill out a few dittoes, i'd mail it back

    i'd get a nice raise from MY educational institution

    i always thought it was kind of a racket

    but, hey, that's the INDUSTRY

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The current thinking seems to be whichever state is willing to have the stupidist kids wins!
    could you, perhaps, point me to some research that clearly demonstrates a link between teachers pensions and student performance?



    it never ceases to amaze me. offer to put into place a system of merit pay based on student performance, and it's SO implausible for the OBVIOUS reason that student performances have NOTHING to do with whether or not their teachers are quality or not....


    ....but offer to drop teacher compensation, and suddenly there's a VERY Real Immediate One-to-One Ratio DROP in student IQ!
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm sure there will be those that think $56,000 is too much as well
    for salary? starting out? it's above the median wage for the entire workforce. so yea, i would say it probably is a little high.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    compensation is pay, so how can "after pay", be pay?
    don't know where you are getting your numbers, but not all states are the same. The state of AZ/Peoria School district didn't contribute one dime to her retirement. They paid her health care insurance but to add family was about $1,000 per MONTH....
    Any classes she took for advancement purposes or to enhance skills were also out of her own pocket.
    Wisconsin, Illinois, NY, etc. are not representative of the entire USA.
    Sorry, I meant Wisconsin not the entire US.

    US numbers you can check yourself. They should be about right. Sweden numbers I got from searching after education wage Sweden. I got the numbers for 2005 with them working an average of 35 hours per week. I just assumed it has increased with about 15-20% the last 5 years. Then I used the tax system, their employers tax, their personal tax, and their 25% GST and some other taxes. It doesn't really matter if I'm somewhat wrong. The American wage is the double of social democratic Sweden.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Sorry, I meant Wisconsin not the entire US.

    US numbers you can check yourself...
    What is Wisconsin teacher Salary + Benefits, $60,000 or $100,000?

    I check the numbers and find $60,000. The $100,000 figure has no credible source.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    if you're running with the numbers given above, i might suggest that that may have something to do with the fact that after the spots for "pension" and "health insurance" it reads "$0"

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