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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    You think that they're not working when school isn't in session? Have you ever talked to a teacher?
    Some teachers do, summer school and things like that. Some teachers work a different job for extra cash. Many just take the time off.

    100k and 4 months a year off is pretty good though. Wouldn't mind that myself.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Some teachers do, summer school and things like that. Some teachers work a different job for extra cash. Many just take the time off.

    100k and 4 months a year off is pretty good though. Wouldn't mind that myself.
    Well, that's a good point. This has never been a secret. Teacher's salaries are fairly widely available information in the public domain. So, why doesn't everyone want to become a teacher if it's such an easy gig? Why has Noodle decided on selling second-hand cars if teaching is so much easier and better-paid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, that's a good point. This has never been a secret. Teacher's salaries are fairly widely available information in the public domain. So, why doesn't everyone want to become a teacher if it's such an easy gig? Why has Noodle decided on selling second-hand cars if teaching is so much easier and better-paid?
    I would hazard a guess that regardless of difficulty, teaching is not for everyone. I'm reminded of an old saying: "Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach."
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    I would hazard a guess that regardless of difficulty, teaching is not for everyone. I'm reminded of an old saying: "Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach."
    Well, had you been a teacher of English, you'd know that the correct quotation is: "He who can, does; he who cannot, teaches." It's by George Bernard Shaw, number 36 of his Maxims for Revolutionists.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, had you been a teacher of English, you'd know that the correct quotation is: "He who can, does; he who cannot, teaches." It's by George Bernard Shaw, number 36 of his Maxims for Revolutionists.
    Great, it's most often said the way I said it in the US. Common vernacular.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    Americans take an average of about two weeks of vacation a year. So they're not really making (say) 55K a year. they are making 55K for 9 months of work, which works out to about $83,000 a year. That strikes me as a fairly decent rate of pay to then add another 50K in non-pay compensation onto. Some probably are making more than they are worth, some are probably making less. but ANOTHER thing the Teachers Unions have effectively controlled is that they have killed any attempt to pay teachers more for performance, so we don't know.

    excellent article on why they do that here

    we need to cut lots of things to fix our local and state finances. the biggest ugliest of these things is the unfunded pension and health liabilities of our unionzed public employees. mandated wage hikes above the rate of inflation, politicians currying favor by setting into stone massive benefit hikes that cost no money for years leaving them able to hand off the bill to the next generation, the ugliness of unions willingly denying children an education in order to maintain their political power.

    our problem isn't with teacher pay. it's with unrealistic compensation promises hammered out by public unions and weak (or bought) politicians. as a finance matter, we need to move away from the industrial-era package of defined benefits and into the modern era of defined contributions. as a structural (and governance) matter, we need to end the ability of an unelected few to grind governing functions to a halt. in Europe, we saw public sector unions shut down their nations in response to necessary austerity measures. Make no mistake, that's an attack on representative government. And those who think that somehow it won't happen here are fooling themselves.
    Actually, Mathmatically it works out to be no where near that:

    If X = a years worth of work, then (9/12)X = 50,000. Therefore, X = (4/3)*50,000 = 66,666.67 (it's a little more devilish but yeah).
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Americans take an average of about two weeks of vacation a year. So they're not really making (say) 55K a year. they are making 55K for 9 months of work, which works out to about $83,000 a year. That strikes me as a fairly decent rate of pay to then add another 50K in non-pay compensation onto. Some probably are making more than they are worth, some are probably making less. but ANOTHER thing the Teachers Unions have effectively controlled is that they have killed any attempt to pay teachers more for performance, so we don't know.

    excellent article on why they do that here

    we need to cut lots of things to fix our local and state finances. the biggest ugliest of these things is the unfunded pension and health liabilities of our unionzed public employees. mandated wage hikes above the rate of inflation, politicians currying favor by setting into stone massive benefit hikes that cost no money for years leaving them able to hand off the bill to the next generation, the ugliness of unions willingly denying children an education in order to maintain their political power.

    our problem isn't with teacher pay. it's with unrealistic compensation promises hammered out by public unions and weak (or bought) politicians. as a finance matter, we need to move away from the industrial-era package of defined benefits and into the modern era of defined contributions. as a structural (and governance) matter, we need to end the ability of an unelected few to grind governing functions to a halt. in Europe, we saw public sector unions shut down their nations in response to necessary austerity measures. Make no mistake, that's an attack on representative government. And those who think that somehow it won't happen here are fooling themselves.
    EXCELLENT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!! I give the post an A+!!!!!!!!!!

    BTW: I graded your post from home and on my own time. Since it seems like many are attempting to claim teachers are doing a large percentage of work from home, it is no different than what everyone on this board is doing on their own...for free!

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    EXCELLENT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!! I give the post an A+!!!!!!!!!!

    BTW: I graded your post from home and on my own time. Since it seems like many are attempting to claim teachers are doing a large percentage of work from home, it is no different than what everyone on this board is doing on their own...for free!
    Isn't that why you get specific tax breaks for being a teacher?
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Actually, Mathmatically it works out to be no where near that:

    If X = a years worth of work, then (9/12)X = 50,000. Therefore, X = (4/3)*50,000 = 66,666.67 (it's a little more devilish but yeah).
    Actually, he was basing his numbers off of $55,000 per year and not $50,000 per year. As a result that equates to an annualized salary of $73,333.33. While your math is indeed correct, the variables you used were wrong. The problem with both calculations is the fact that neither formula factors in the deferred compensation packages that these teachers are making (at least in Wisconsin) to fund retirement/pensions. On top of the $55,000 per year salary another 11% needs to be added to account for the deferred compensation package. The new math looks like this:

    $55,000*1.11= $61,050 (4/3)*61,050=$81,400 based on an average teacher salary of $55,000 in the state (which admittedly I believe is high). I will post another with the real numbers, but let me do the research first....

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