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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That makes it even worse. If they're getting paid $100K for nine months, then the REAL annualized cost to the taxpayers is closer to $130K.
    They get their pay annualized from the 9 months, not 12, so the original amount is correct. When my wife got a job with the school system, they gave her three options
    1. Take your pay in 9 increments and get nothing during summer
    2. Take your pay in 12 increments
    3. Take your pay in 13 increments (due to the lag time before the first paycheck)

    The pay is the same regardless.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Me too, unfortunately it is significantly lower than that.
    And that's a shame. I look at monetary compensation as a refection on the importance to society... and I see certain areas of public service, professions that are an intregal part of holding together the fabric of society as being the most important. Those that should be compensated the most would include those in the military, teachers, the police, firefighters, and physicians.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The driving factor in ALL government salaries should be supply and demand.
    Like the military?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I said this to you a year ago when you went on one of these anti-teacher rampages. This denotes that you have no idea what a teacher does. Their job is NOT easy, they get paid for NINE months, not twelve, and they perform one of the most important tasks there is: educating our children.

    I am really uninterested in whatever your personal vendetta towards teachers is... and your railing against them certainly comes across as personal. Regardless, I don't see anything in your posts that has any accuracy. The only thing I agree with is that it needs to be far easier to fire bad teachers. Other than that, the rest of your post is invalid.
    I know EXACTLY what a teacher does. I could walk into a school and have little problem on the first day doing what they do..... and thats with zero training. My good friend is a teacher.... I dated two teachers. What they do is EASY! Even my friend said "its a cake walk"!!!!
    So YOU sir can not tell me otherwise!!!
    Sure their job is important..... a truck drivers job is VERY important. A guy that plow the road when it snows.... THAT job is very important. A salesmans job is very important! A soildiers job is VERY important.

    Your view of teachers is WRONG!!!!! Wrong wrong wrong!!!!
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    If the cost is 100k/yr then the cost is 100k/yr. You can't annualize something that's already annual. It just don't make no sense.
    Yes you can, because the taxpayers are not getting any service from the teachers for 25% of the year.

    If other public agencies decided that they were going to start taking summers off, but still charge the taxpayers the same amount as before for their salaries/benefits, wouldn't you see a problem with that? By the same token, it makes perfect sense to annualize teachers' salaries to compare how much we're paying teachers in proportion to the benefit they provide.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That makes it even worse. If they're getting paid $100K for nine months, then the REAL annualized cost to the taxpayers is closer to $130K.
    No. See Simon's post.


    The driving factor in ALL government salaries should be supply and demand. The fact that they are performing a task that you deem important is irrelevant to the fact that there are plenty of qualified teachers out there.
    And I disagree. The volume of qualified teachers has nothing to do with the importance of the job.

    This argument might have some merit if paying teachers such exorbitant salaries actually meant that more capable teachers would be recruited and student performance would improve...but it does not, because the unions also ensure that there is no merit pay and no one ever gets fired for anything.
    Exorbitant is your opinion. And I already said that I agree with the difficult of getting rid of bad teachers. I disagree with the lack of merit pay, too.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I know EXACTLY what a teacher does. I could walk into a school and have little problem on the first day doing what they do..... and thats with zero training. My good friend is a teacher.... I dated two teachers. What they do is EASY! Even my friend said "its a cake walk"!!!!
    So YOU sir can not tell me otherwise!!!
    Sure their job is important..... a truck drivers job is VERY important. A guy that plow the road when it snows.... THAT job is very important. A salesmans job is very important! A soildiers job is VERY important.

    Your view of teachers is WRONG!!!!! Wrong wrong wrong!!!!
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes you can, because the taxpayers are not getting any service from the teachers for 25% of the year.

    If other public agencies decided that they were going to start taking summers off, but still charge the taxpayers the same amount as before for their salaries/benefits, wouldn't you see a problem with that? Similarly, it makes perfect sense to annualize teachers' salaries to determine how much we're paying teachers in proportion to the benefit they provide.
    Year round schooling is something we should be doing, but don't blame it on teachers, we inherited that from the harvest schedule.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I know EXACTLY what a teacher does. I could walk into a school and have little problem on the first day doing what they do..... and thats with zero training. My good friend is a teacher.... I dated two teachers. What they do is EASY! Even my friend said "its a cake walk"!!!!
    So YOU sir can not tell me otherwise!!!
    Sure their job is important..... a truck drivers job is VERY important. A guy that plow the road when it snows.... THAT job is very important. A salesmans job is very important! A soildiers job is VERY important.

    Your view of teachers is WRONG!!!!! Wrong wrong wrong!!!!
    Screaming "you are wrong" makes absolutely zero impact on me. You could NOT walk into a classroom and effectively teach. Understanding a topic does not mean you can teach it.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes you can, because the taxpayers are not getting any service from the teachers for 25% of the year.
    If they receive 100k in compensation per year, then over the course of a whole year--the annualizing part--they receive 100k.
    I hope that makes sense.
    I may be wrong.

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