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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    ALright man...... teachers hardly do any work. They are there for SIX hours a day! Thats 30 hours a WEEK! They are off around 2 days a month for whatever lame holiday comes around. Then they have THREE MONTHS OFF!!! Their job is EASY! At least 3 out of 10 people could walk in and do their job with ZERO training.
    You know why its hard to get a teachers position? Because everyone and their cousin wants to be one! So they made it more difficult in Illinois to qualify. My friend Rob is a teacher. He used to be a retail book store manager. He said that was TWICE as difficult.

    Lets not even get into how difficult it is to fire a crappy teacher! Or their INSANE pensions! Beginning teachers should make no more than $27K a year and after ten years make no more than $37K a year. Now divide that salary by NINE...... NOT 12 since they only work 9 months. Plus they need to pay 20% of their benefits.
    I understand the point you're trying to make, but I don't agree with your numbers. Teachers work more than 6 hours a day, that's for sure. I believe they also work 10 months a year, plus a few weeks during the summer. I believe many people in this country get slightly less than twice their salary in total compensation.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    I understand the point you're trying to make, but I don't agree with your numbers. Teachers work more than 6 hours a day, that's for sure. I believe they also work 10 months a year, plus a few weeks during the summer. I believe many people in this country get slightly less than twice their salary in total compensation.
    according to the Wisconsin Department of Public Education, Teachers in 2010-2011 will "most commonly" work from Aug 30 to Nov 24, then from Nov 29 to Dec 22, then from Jan 3 to April 21, and then from April 26 to June 3.

    So they are getting, it looks like, about 3 months in the summer and then another month-ish scattered throghout the school year.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    according to the Wisconsin Department of Public Education, Teachers in 2010-2011 will "most commonly" work from Aug 30 to Nov 24, then from Nov 29 to Dec 22, then from Jan 3 to April 21, and then from April 26 to June 3.

    So they are getting, it looks like, about 3 months in the summer and then another month-ish scattered throghout the school year.
    Are you of the opinion that they make too much money? $50k is too much for our teachers? That is the area that we need to cut to make our country right again?
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    according to the Wisconsin Department of Public Education, Teachers in 2010-2011 will "most commonly" work from Aug 30 to Nov 24, then from Nov 29 to Dec 22, then from Jan 3 to April 21, and then from April 26 to June 3.

    So they are getting, it looks like, about 3 months in the summer and then another month-ish scattered throghout the school year.
    You think that they're not working when school isn't in session? Have you ever talked to a teacher?
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    according to the Wisconsin Department of Public Education, Teachers in 2010-2011 will "most commonly" work from Aug 30 to Nov 24, then from Nov 29 to Dec 22, then from Jan 3 to April 21, and then from April 26 to June 3.

    So they are getting, it looks like, about 3 months in the summer and then another month-ish scattered throghout the school year.
    No, those are the school dates. You are assuming that teachers only work while school is in. Teaching time =/= working time. When do you believe teachers do all their prep? Create their teaching materials? Do added training? Mark papers?

    Sure, they do get great holidays, but they're not as great as you're making out.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Are you of the opinion that they make too much money? $50k is too much for our teachers? That is the area that we need to cut to make our country right again?
    Americans take an average of about two weeks of vacation a year. So they're not really making (say) 55K a year. they are making 55K for 9 months of work, which works out to about $83,000 a year. That strikes me as a fairly decent rate of pay to then add another 50K in non-pay compensation onto. Some probably are making more than they are worth, some are probably making less. but ANOTHER thing the Teachers Unions have effectively controlled is that they have killed any attempt to pay teachers more for performance, so we don't know.

    excellent article on why they do that here

    we need to cut lots of things to fix our local and state finances. the biggest ugliest of these things is the unfunded pension and health liabilities of our unionzed public employees. mandated wage hikes above the rate of inflation, politicians currying favor by setting into stone massive benefit hikes that cost no money for years leaving them able to hand off the bill to the next generation, the ugliness of unions willingly denying children an education in order to maintain their political power.

    our problem isn't with teacher pay. it's with unrealistic compensation promises hammered out by public unions and weak (or bought) politicians. as a finance matter, we need to move away from the industrial-era package of defined benefits and into the modern era of defined contributions. as a structural (and governance) matter, we need to end the ability of an unelected few to grind governing functions to a halt. in Europe, we saw public sector unions shut down their nations in response to necessary austerity measures. Make no mistake, that's an attack on representative government. And those who think that somehow it won't happen here are fooling themselves.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No, those are the school dates
    actually i went to the charts in the links to find out when the teachers dates were. what i posted was the "most common" dates for teachers, though there was a section for earlier and a section for later.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually i went to the charts in the links to find out when the teachers dates were. what i posted was the "most common" dates for teachers,
    ... yes, for teachers to be IN school. It takes no account of the work I know teachers do at home and during their 'vacations', which are not entirely free time.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    ... yes, for teachers to be IN school. It takes no account of the work I know teachers do at home and during their 'vacations', which are not entirely free time.
    that may be true. do you have any idea how to go about measuring that?

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