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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't listen to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh or any of the rest of the wingie people. I do my own homework and research. Public pensions happen to be a hot button for me which is why I speak so vehemently about them. Many teachers in suburban Chicago make more money than the Governor of our state. I'm not outraged by teachers making $100K and less. I'm outraged by teachers making $100K and more. And retiring at age 55 with pensions that cover, many times, 75% of their salaries.

    You don't even understand these tax breaks you speak of. Do your homework.



    No. I'm angry at a $4,000 property tax bill.



    I'm not going to go looking...but if you PM Redress, I'm sure she'll confirm. Look, I have a very strong opinion on this. I've done my homework. I've written letters to the editor and had them published in the Chicago Tribune and the Daily Herald. You're not going to change it. The system is fundamentally flawed. I've done my homework. And either you haven't done yours, or you are the recipient of a public pension.
    If you ate telling me that you have been concerned about how much teachers are being paid before all of this got into the press then OK. But pardon me if I think most people never gave it a thought until Fox News started airing it!
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Maggie--- sorry - but I do not know it. I was a teachers union building representative and union official for over 20 years and saw many teachers drummed out and fired for good cause. Its simply a matter of a bad teacher, a good administrator who knows how to perform their job function, and following the contract which exists between the Board and the Union. Some administrators may have their own professional organization, but I assure you, they are not in the teachers union nor are they represented by the same bargaining unit. Its a basic and serious conflict of interest.

    A link which shows that Administrators are NOT a member of the teachers union? You are asking me to prove a negative? Amazing. Go to any teachers contract with any Board of Education you want to read. Your choice. Tell me if you can find that school administrators are members of the union. Its a contradiction in terms.

    You have really outdone yourself on this demand. Normally you are quite reasonable. But this..... well Maggie ... this is rather silly.
    *banging head on desk* You have dismissed EVERY bit of information and fact Maggie has given and read ALL of it! Just kidding. You didnt look at ANY of it You just rambled about things that have no logic regarding the topic!
    You must work in a state Union

    In any case as we can see by all the FACTS along with the collective of reasonable minds, that...........

    State Unions are BAD for the tax payers and BAD for the children!!!!
    They arent accountable enough!
    They cant be fired when they screw up!

    Heck if you ask ME, they should be on commission and someone from an outside firm should do the testing and grading! They wont do that because they know that they would actually have to.......
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Are you really that ignorant? If so, the education system has failed you,and you it. You stand as an example of what I have been talking about. I have never excused the bad teachers, nor will I excuse bad parents or lazy students. I have always felt that the system can be improved, but as it is, it is adequate, IF the good teachers have good raw material delivered to them by the parents.
    My wife can tell you about the kids who are plenty smart, but get hooked on drugs, and some commit suicide.

    Our society is ill and needs treatment, and all you want to do is crucify the one profession that benefits us the most.
    At least I'm not settling for failing at worse, or adequate at best. But it sure is evident thats all thats required by you... I'm just not satisfied with that.

    The teachers I look back on as good, were not the ones that taught me subjects I was good in, any teacher could have done that. The good ones were those that could peek my interest in things I wasn't really interested in, to challenge and get more out of me then I really cared to give.

    This maybe only my opinion, but it doesn't take much of a teacher to teach someone that wants to learn, and will put in the effort to do so, a good teacher is one that can reach those aren't quite as willing, or aren't quite as bright.

    As for the educational system failing me or me failing it, or being called ignorant by someone like you. I feel if that is the best you can come up with for a response, it shows who is ignorant and who isn't

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    If you ate telling me that you have been concerned about how much teachers are being paid before all of this got into the press then OK. But pardon me if I think most people never gave it a thought until Fox News started airing it!
    So I guess this means that you got all you information about this from watching it on MSNBC* because that is the only station a liberal watches right ?? Or maybe you got it from Media Matters another leftist only view .. it must have been one of them two .

    That makes about as much sense as your statement, now doesn't it.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    actually, you are wrong....even the dumbest dirt farmer knew to place his outhouse away from his well, or stream, where he got his drinking water.
    really. then you're going to have to explain to me why up until the 20th Century nobody knew that it was unhealthy for an Army to camp so that people upstream were pissing in the same river that people downstream were drinking from.

    but i remain correct; only when you have the excess resources can you afford things like cleaning up the environment.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    No skills? then you should be able to teach, right?
    I have all the necessary skills to keep a teaching job (aside from the piece of paper saying I have a degree in education). Now, whether or not that means I have all the necessary skills to actually TEACH is a different question entirely.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    For less? where do I sign up?
    Umm
    At the nearest school...

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill
    Do we need more teachers?
    While there is conflicting evidence as to whether or not more teachers (i.e. smaller classes) are actually an effective way of improving student performance, I'd certainly rather have more qualified teachers than fewer qualified teachers for the same budget.

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    I thought there was a long line, a 3 year waiting list.....according to Giant Noodle...
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    bull, back that up if you can....
    NYC takes aim at teachers' 'tenure for breathing' - USATODAY.com

    According to the article, only 3.7% of eligible teachers in NYC were denied tenure, with another 7.2% getting another year of probation. In other words, you have to be REALLY awful to not get tenure. Thinking back to my own high school days, a lot less than 90% of my teachers deserved to be there...and I attended a fairly good suburban school.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I have all the necessary skills to keep a teaching job (aside from the piece of paper saying I have a degree in education). Now, whether or not that means I have all the necessary skills to actually TEACH is a different question entirely.
    that's something else we should look at changing. rather than recieving a specific certificate or a degree that can serve to limit supply; teaching accreditation should function like the Bar; where you just take a test or a series of tests.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    *banging head on desk* You have dismissed EVERY bit of information and fact Maggie has given and read ALL of it! Just kidding. You didnt look at ANY of it You just rambled about things that have no logic regarding the topic!
    welcome to our world.

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