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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    This hatred for teachers the right has whipped up is mind-blowing. I can't believe people actually think teachers have some cushy job.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    Like Maggie I too live in the state of Illinois. Here is my breakdown. I live in a 980 sq condo, 1 1/2 bath, 2 bedroom, no garage. Here is my 2009 property tax bill of $7,400.36 from the cook country treasurers office.

    Community College: $191.56
    High School District: $2,590.60
    Grade School: $2,387.44
    School Taxes Total: $5,169.60

    My tax bill does not break down pensions (though it did a few years back--Thank you Maria Pappas)

    Here a random sample of the teachers salaries from my school district:
    LaBotz, Mary $98,806
    Leyden, Glen $57,577
    Lucchetti, Richard $125,324
    Luque, Mary $109,357
    Lyke, Marcus $111,970
    Lynch, Pamela $53,893
    Maka, Tanya $91,241
    Maniatis, Christopher $91,978
    Mansfield, Edward $276,014
    Marks, Janet $84,991
    Mattia, Terrence $77,843
    Matys, Jaime $54,405
    Maul, Lorrie $104,846
    Mc Laughlin, James $121,741
    McAlister, Scott $117,187
    McCabe, Elizabeth $94,402
    McCarthy, Brian $105,616
    McClain, Daniel $67,165
    McGuire, Sheila $56,909
    McKee, Paul $53,167
    McLaughlin, Brian $107,803
    Meany, Kelly $105,740

    Link: Family Taxpayers Foundation (thanks MaggieD;-))

    Now you know two things about me 1) why I get pissed over this topic 2) after seeing my property tax bill, you now know why we in Illinois are so pissed over our governor passing a 67% INCOME tax increase!!! We already get raped in property taxes.
    And here's a sampling from mine:


    Abbott, Lori $119,309
    Abel Jr, Robert $70,400
    Abel, Bradley $82,601
    Adair, James $123,920
    Adkins, Jeffrey $99,754
    Aguilar, Jennifer $72,764
    Alderson, Grace $106,945
    Aldworth, John $130,891
    Aldworth, Michael $75,529
    Aleman, Ruby $59,974
    Aliprandi, John $98,586
    Alonzo, Sarah $68,819
    Alperin, Gary $103,333
    Amador-Zapata, Joanne $84,664
    Amedeo, Lori $60,503

    And here's a sampling of the pensions from this same district:

    You'll have to click the link: http://www.pioneerlocal.com/pioneerp...98599589792826

    Remember, these salaries do not include benefits. And the pensions don't show that the teachers' health insurance is being paid for 'til age 65 at the rate they were charged whent they retired.

    Don't talk to Illinoisans about teacher pensions and bennies. We're a Democratic state and taxpayers are being scrood.

    PS -- Social Security retirement max? $29,000. And we pay 7. something % in order to get it. Teachers? Well, Wisconsin was paying, what was it? 1%??
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You think $100K is appropriate compensation for a position that typically recruits from the bottom third of college grads, has almost total job security regardless of performance, and requires something like 35 hours per week, for 36 weeks per year?

    Give me a freaking break. I didn't earn that much for the first couple years after I had my freaking MBA and was $150K in debt from school...and I was working a lot more hours than that, at a position that required a lot more work/training.
    Being be teacher requires a grad degree too... at least where I am from. But I went college with somebody who got a bachelor in Accounting and MIS, and got a job fresh out of college making six figures... The job was in San Fransisco so take into account the high cost of living, but it's still impressive.

    It's not impossible to get an income like that quickly in some fields... CFAs, I know can do it in 2 to 3 years.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This hatred for teachers the right has whipped up is mind-blowing. I can't believe people actually think teachers have some cushy job.
    No hatred for teachers here. I have two family members who are teachers in the Chicago Public School District. This is all about shining light on excess and the sodomization of taxpayers by Democrats.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    Like Maggie I too live in the state of Illinois. Here is my breakdown. I live in a 980 sq condo, 1 1/2 bath, 2 bedroom, no garage. Here is my 2009 property tax bill of $7,400.36 from the cook country treasurers office.

    Community College: $191.56
    High School District: $2,590.60
    Grade School: $2,387.44
    School Taxes Total: $5,169.60

    My tax bill does not break down pensions (though it did a few years back--Thank you Maria Pappas)

    Here a random sample of the teachers salaries from my school district:
    LaBotz, Mary $98,806
    Leyden, Glen $57,577
    Lucchetti, Richard $125,324
    Luque, Mary $109,357
    Lyke, Marcus $111,970
    Lynch, Pamela $53,893
    Maka, Tanya $91,241
    Maniatis, Christopher $91,978
    Mansfield, Edward $276,014
    Marks, Janet $84,991
    Mattia, Terrence $77,843
    Matys, Jaime $54,405
    Maul, Lorrie $104,846
    Mc Laughlin, James $121,741
    McAlister, Scott $117,187
    McCabe, Elizabeth $94,402
    McCarthy, Brian $105,616
    McClain, Daniel $67,165
    McGuire, Sheila $56,909
    McKee, Paul $53,167
    McLaughlin, Brian $107,803
    Meany, Kelly $105,740

    Link: Family Taxpayers Foundation (thanks MaggieD;-))

    Now you know two things about me 1) why I get pissed over this topic 2) after seeing my property tax bill, you now know why we in Illinois are so pissed over our governor passing a 67% INCOME tax increase!!! We already get raped in property taxes.
    BTW: For those of you appalled as I am about these teachers salaries. The average class size of this school district is only 18.3 students per class room, yet the performance of the school is only in the 30th percentile for all schools in the state. If it isn't large class sizes holding back our students from achieving excellence what is? Could it be the average teachers salary of $81,552 per year? Or the 17.8 MILLION dollars this particular school district spends on teachers salaries each year! Could it be that this school district has 218 teachers and administrators but only requires 173 teachers and administrators consistent with its student size of 3,000 coupled with an average class size of only 18.3 students (only 10 administrators according to their website)? What the hell are the 45 teachers doing on this bloated payroll who don't belong...obviously not teaching!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The sad thing is; such statistics are par for the course in Illinois. My guess it is par for the course in most schools across this nation. Those of you who do not see this are either blind or stupid...then again maybe you were educated at this particular institution and excellence is most certainly is not what is strived for.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's really quite interesting. So many times we hear that family life has a bearing with under-achievers. Your situation would seem to anecdotally disprove that notion. I really do think that motivation comes, first and foremost, from within.

    No, not always....tho it did with me. I looked around and saw that my school friends had good parents who encouraged them. My parents were totally passive on education. I had heard the story about my dad hanging on to a night watchman job til he was 38 and father of 5 kids, then he finally got into an apprenticeship and 5 years later started making good money. I started getting my technical training within months after high school. It was obvious that waiting 20 years wasn't very smart.
    My siblings weren't motivated, they were discouraged. There was no extra help when they first needed it...
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    What we have is a statist government that punishes success while rewarding failure......and the teachers union, like all unions, exemplifies this. There is no reward for teachers that put forth the effort to ensure our children have the ability to "take" a good education.....just as there is no punishment for the absolutely pathetic teachers that put forth no effort.....and no way to get rid of them.

    "It may not be the best.....but Im getting paid either way".........is at the heart of this problem.



    ....and if we apply that same notion to the teachers union?



    There is no gurantee a good teacher cant become a lousy teacher either.....actually it should be expected......considering the lack of merit pay.

    And in the public schools that have a plethora of teachers that simply go through the motions........the only thing guranteed is a bloated teachers salary, gold plated health care, diamond inlayed pension........and a subprime education for every student.
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    bla, bla, bla, empty and unsubstantiated rhetoric, bla, bla, blas....if you didn't get an education, and any of your classmates did, it must be your fault. Teachers can't overcome 6 years of bad parenting. It isn't their job to undo the damage already done....
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    Playing loose with the numbers? The average daycare center has to make her 'nut'. She has overhead to pay, insurance, health insurance, license & permits, the list is endless. So when you factor in all of these costs, what is left over is around a 10% profit margin, so says one link. A teacher has no such costs to incur, all her overhead is incurred by the taxpayer.

    Using your numbers of $18,000 per month and paying the teacher a commiserate 10% profit margin leaves the teach a fair and equitable salary of $1,800 per month. Since she only works 9 months every year $1,800 multiplied by 9 months equates to a fair salary of $16,200 per year. Of course we need to pay her for the costs associated with her teaching degree (assuming a 4 year university) add in $50,000 amortized over her career of 30 years and she would be paid an extra (i'm rounding up) $1,700 per year.

    Conclusion a fair salary for a public school teacher with a 4 year degree (according to you) would be $17,900 per year.
    How about a small group of teachers starting their own daycare, and hire no helpers....? The daycare centers near me are owned and operated by people driving fancy german cars. My son worked for one during a couple summers. They must be doing something right....
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    Like Maggie I too live in the state of Illinois. Here is my breakdown. I live in a 980 sq condo, 1 1/2 bath, 2 bedroom, no garage. Here is my 2009 property tax bill of $7,400.36 from the cook country treasurers office.

    Community College: $191.56
    High School District: $2,590.60
    Grade School: $2,387.44
    School Taxes Total: $5,169.60

    My tax bill does not break down pensions (though it did a few years back--Thank you Maria Pappas)

    Here a random sample of the teachers salaries from my school district:
    LaBotz, Mary $98,806
    Leyden, Glen $57,577
    Lucchetti, Richard $125,324
    Luque, Mary $109,357
    Lyke, Marcus $111,970
    Lynch, Pamela $53,893
    Maka, Tanya $91,241
    Maniatis, Christopher $91,978
    Mansfield, Edward $276,014
    Marks, Janet $84,991
    Mattia, Terrence $77,843
    Matys, Jaime $54,405
    Maul, Lorrie $104,846
    Mc Laughlin, James $121,741
    McAlister, Scott $117,187
    McCabe, Elizabeth $94,402
    McCarthy, Brian $105,616
    McClain, Daniel $67,165
    McGuire, Sheila $56,909
    McKee, Paul $53,167
    McLaughlin, Brian $107,803
    Meany, Kelly $105,740

    Link: Family Taxpayers Foundation (thanks MaggieD;-))

    Now you know two things about me 1) why I get pissed over this topic 2) after seeing my property tax bill, you now know why we in Illinois are so pissed over our governor passing a 67% INCOME tax increase!!! We already get raped in property taxes.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This hatred for teachers the right has whipped up is mind-blowing. I can't believe people actually think teachers have some cushy job.
    The right wing always needs a monster to attack. Without that the attention would turn to their own hollow falsehoods and they would fool very few with their smoke and mirrors. So there is always a convenient enemy to match upon and save America from. Now - its teachers and unions. Someoneelse will get their turn tomorrow to play the Frankenstein monster.
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