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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    In our government run education system to nowhere........

    ...........every child is entitled to a subprime education.........and the Teachers Union delivers.
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    It may not be the best, but it is what we have, and if you didn't listen and learn, whose fault is it but yours? If you are learning disabled, sorry for that. If you were just too lazy to put forth an effort, the fault is yours.
    My older sister and younger brother had the same teachers I did...., I learned a lot, they learned a little. I retired well, they are living in poverty. results tend to vary even within families. Results are not guaranteed, only the opportunity....
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It may not be the best, but it is what we have, and if you didn't listen and learn, whose fault is it but yours? If you are learning disabled, sorry for that. If you were just too lazy to put forth an effort, the fault is yours.
    My older sister and younger brother had the same teachers I did...., I learned a lot, they learned a little. I retired well, they are living in poverty. results tend to vary even within families. Results are not guaranteed, only the opportunity....
    That's really quite interesting. So many times we hear that family life has a bearing with under-achievers. Your situation would seem to anecdotally disprove that notion. I really do think that motivation comes, first and foremost, from within.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You almost got a thanks. ;-) No conflict of interest?? My lily white...
    If administrators belong to a professional association and the teachers belong to a different union and the Board of Education employing both of those is fine with it and legally has determined that there is no conflict of interest, then there is nothing for you to worry about.

    As to your lily white ....... we have tanning booths for that sort of thing ... or back yards with high fences.... the results could put a smile upon somebodys face.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It may not be the best, but it is what we have,
    What we have is a statist government that punishes success while rewarding failure......and the teachers union, like all unions, exemplifies this. There is no reward for teachers that put forth the effort to ensure our children have the ability to "take" a good education.....just as there is no punishment for the absolutely pathetic teachers that put forth no effort.....and no way to get rid of them.

    "It may not be the best.....but Im getting paid either way".........is at the heart of this problem.

    and if you didn't listen and learn, whose fault is it but yours? If you are learning disabled, sorry for that. If you were just too lazy to put forth an effort, the fault is yours.
    ....and if we apply that same notion to the teachers union?

    My older sister and younger brother had the same teachers I did...., I learned a lot, they learned a little. I retired well, they are living in poverty. results tend to vary even within families. Results are not guaranteed, only the opportunity....
    There is no gurantee a good teacher cant become a lousy teacher either.....actually it should be expected......considering the lack of merit pay.

    And in the public schools that have a plethora of teachers that simply go through the motions........the only thing guranteed is a bloated teachers salary, gold plated health care, diamond inlayed pension........and a subprime education for every student.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What in the heck does Glenn Beck have to with it? Or the reporters on Fox? Please bash them on another thread.



    I think they make plenty. I advocate ratcheting back their bargaining powers. Why would I post about the outrageous CEO salaries across the country? My tax dollars don't pay for those.
    Because regardless of what you say you must be listening to these pundits if you actually have the opinion that teachers, police officers, and fireman are overpaid. That's why I ask. And your tax dollars are paying the salaries of CEOs who continuously catch major tax breaks (by the Bush cuts and Walkers in WI). You are outraged at teachers making $100k and less but not that CEOs across the country are banking more in respect to their other employees than ever?

    That's how I know you watch and listen to conservative news. You are angry at nonsense.

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    MaggieD, can you show me one post from before this "scandal" in WI began where you complained about teacher unions?
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Multiply 30 kids times what a baby sitter gets per hour....the baby sitter gets more.
    Day care, average per month, is $600 for a toddler, so one link says. 30x600 is $18,000 per month......
    Teachers should all quit teaching at schools and open day care centers, that teach.
    Playing loose with the numbers? The average daycare center has to make her 'nut'. She has overhead to pay, insurance, health insurance, license & permits, the list is endless. So when you factor in all of these costs, what is left over is around a 10% profit margin, so says one link. A teacher has no such costs to incur, all her overhead is incurred by the taxpayer.

    Using your numbers of $18,000 per month and paying the teacher a commiserate 10% profit margin leaves the teach a fair and equitable salary of $1,800 per month. Since she only works 9 months every year $1,800 multiplied by 9 months equates to a fair salary of $16,200 per year. Of course we need to pay her for the costs associated with her teaching degree (assuming a 4 year university) add in $50,000 amortized over her career of 30 years and she would be paid an extra (i'm rounding up) $1,700 per year.

    Conclusion a fair salary for a public school teacher with a 4 year degree (according to you) would be $17,900 per year.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    Playing loose with the numbers? The average daycare center has to make her 'nut'. She has overhead to pay, insurance, health insurance, license & permits, the list is endless. So when you factor in all of these costs, what is left over is around a 10% profit margin, so says one link. A teacher has no such costs to incur, all her overhead is incurred by the taxpayer.
    The "average daycare center worker" probably makes $10/hour -- if they're lucky. Good job, NeverGolfPar.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    ALright man...... teachers hardly do any work. They are there for SIX hours a day! Thats 30 hours a WEEK! They are off around 2 days a month for whatever lame holiday comes around. Then they have THREE MONTHS OFF!!! Their job is EASY! At least 3 out of 10 people could walk in and do their job with ZERO training.
    You know why its hard to get a teachers position? Because everyone and their cousin wants to be one! So they made it more difficult in Illinois to qualify. My friend Rob is a teacher. He used to be a retail book store manager. He said that was TWICE as difficult.

    Lets not even get into how difficult it is to fire a crappy teacher! Or their INSANE pensions! Beginning teachers should make no more than $27K a year and after ten years make no more than $37K a year. Now divide that salary by NINE...... NOT 12 since they only work 9 months. Plus they need to pay 20% of their benefits.
    Do you have kids? Do send them to public schools? Just curious...

    Personally, I think public schools can be some of the worst and some of the best. My wealthy friends who have children send their kids to both public and private schools. Depending on the community, some local schools are amazing and have amazing teachers and faculty.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Because regardless of what you say you must be listening to these pundits if you actually have the opinion that teachers, police officers, and fireman are overpaid. That's why I ask. And your tax dollars are paying the salaries of CEOs who continuously catch major tax breaks (by the Bush cuts and Walkers in WI). You are outraged at teachers making $100k and less but not that CEOs across the country are banking more in respect to their other employees than ever?
    I don't listen to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh or any of the rest of the wingie people. I do my own homework and research. Public pensions happen to be a hot button for me which is why I speak so vehemently about them. Many teachers in suburban Chicago make more money than the Governor of our state. I'm not outraged by teachers making $100K and less. I'm outraged by teachers making $100K and more. And retiring at age 55 with pensions that cover, many times, 75% of their salaries.

    You don't even understand these tax breaks you speak of. Do your homework.

    That's how I know you watch and listen to conservative news. You are angry at nonsense.
    No. I'm angry at a $4,000 property tax bill.

    MaggieD, can you show me one post from before this "scandal" in WI began where you complained about teacher unions?
    I'm not going to go looking...but if you PM Redress, I'm sure she'll confirm. Look, I have a very strong opinion on this. I've done my homework. I've written letters to the editor and had them published in the Chicago Tribune and the Daily Herald. You're not going to change it. The system is fundamentally flawed. I've done my homework. And either you haven't done yours, or you are the recipient of a public pension.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Holy Tax Bill! I've got nearly 3 times that sf and my property tax is $4600.
    Like Maggie I too live in the state of Illinois. Here is my breakdown. I live in a 980 sq condo, 1 1/2 bath, 2 bedroom, no garage. Here is my 2009 property tax bill of $7,400.36 from the cook country treasurers office.

    Community College: $191.56
    High School District: $2,590.60
    Grade School: $2,387.44
    School Taxes Total: $5,169.60

    My tax bill does not break down pensions (though it did a few years back--Thank you Maria Pappas)

    Here a random sample of the teachers salaries from my school district:
    LaBotz, Mary $98,806
    Leyden, Glen $57,577
    Lucchetti, Richard $125,324
    Luque, Mary $109,357
    Lyke, Marcus $111,970
    Lynch, Pamela $53,893
    Maka, Tanya $91,241
    Maniatis, Christopher $91,978
    Mansfield, Edward $276,014
    Marks, Janet $84,991
    Mattia, Terrence $77,843
    Matys, Jaime $54,405
    Maul, Lorrie $104,846
    Mc Laughlin, James $121,741
    McAlister, Scott $117,187
    McCabe, Elizabeth $94,402
    McCarthy, Brian $105,616
    McClain, Daniel $67,165
    McGuire, Sheila $56,909
    McKee, Paul $53,167
    McLaughlin, Brian $107,803
    Meany, Kelly $105,740

    Link: Family Taxpayers Foundation (thanks MaggieD;-))

    Now you know two things about me 1) why I get pissed over this topic 2) after seeing my property tax bill, you now know why we in Illinois are so pissed over our governor passing a 67% INCOME tax increase!!! We already get raped in property taxes.

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