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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I hope you will say something besides, "Never mind," after you read this since it took a lot of work to FIND it! ;-)

    First, I live in a 920 s.f. 3-bedroom 2-bath home with a one-car garage. No family room. My most recent tax bill (2009, since Illinois pays in arrears) totalled $4,021.66. Here's a breakdown of relevant items:

    Grade School: $1220.00
    High School: $1100.00
    Local College: $ 166.00

    Also tells its own story:

    My city: $284.00 of which 38% is for city pensions
    about twice what I pay in Utah for 4500 sq. ft., 1800 basement, 1800 main, 900 loft....
    but Utah gets a lot in income taxes, they pay a flat 5% rate and no deductions.

    Arizona has a bit higher than Utah property taxes, but much lower income taxes.

    The utah place includes a 1600 sq. ft, steel frame and skin shop, and is taxed as an 'outbuilding' or shed...

    time to move?
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    -- And Haymarket moves the goalposts yet again.

    You say:



    I show:



    Now you say:



    You are quite the hoot, my friend.

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    maggie - please go to any school district of your choice... any one of your own choice..... go online and look at the contract between the teachers and the union ... then look in the same contract to see if the supervising administrators are in the same bargaining unit and union.

    If you find one, I will treat you to dinner. Promise.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    If I owe $1000/yr in property taxes and I pay that once a year on one day, I can't "annualize" that and say it's equivalent to $365,000/yr. It's still just $1000/yr. It's already annualized. It's already in it's annual form.
    A more appropriate analogy: If you were paying $1,000 in property taxes each year - but the government kicked you out of your property for three months of the year so that you couldn't use it - it would be perfectly reasonable to view the cost as $1,333 for one year of using your property.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    maggie - please go to any school district of your choice... any one of your own choice..... go online and look at the contract between the teachers and the union ... then look in the same contract to see if the supervising administrators are in the same bargaining unit and union.

    If you find one, I will treat you to dinner. Promise.
    Haymarket, you're starting to scare me. You said superintendents don't belong to unions. I show you they do. Then you say, as if I'm somehow wrong, welllllll, they aren't in the same bargaining union. You are disingenuous. Anything to avoid buying a lady dinner.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    there's plenty. i know that both are true across the broad spectrum of the United States; and so if i wanted to spend an hour or so digging i'm sure i could find you the Perfect Example, or the study that proves, so on and so forth. there are plenty of studies that demonstrate that the amount of money spent per child has little effect (if any) on their test scores past a bare point - no doubt buried in there is the information that would pretty decisively answer the question.

    it's just that - unfortunately - you are no longer worth digging it out for. If it was obvious child, who is rude and abusive, but at least logical and debates with evidence, then I might. i just finished a two-poster reply to him.

    but you have repeatedly demonstrated that the effort would be wasted on you. you aren't interested in honest debate.

    you're a tireless rebutter



    so. teachers compensation has gone down over the past few decades? the teachers unions cannot do their jobs?

    or is it that you want to claim that America's students scores are improving?



    that is actually what i am referencing. oldreliable and i provided a wealth of information for you in that thread, only to have you constantly refuse to respond to it, followed by you moving the goalposts.
    So typical of the authoritarian personality who feels they can bully their way to victory.

    I see perfectly.
    You are right.
    You can easily prove your right.
    But you will not prove your right.
    But the world should know you are still right just the same.
    And you still refuse to offer any evidence to prove it.

    I can see your frustration. I can understand your frustration. I can sympathize with your frustration. You are used to debating with people who do not always hold your claims and your supposed evidence up and carefully examine it to see if it proves your claim. Sadly, for you... I do just that.

    If you claim that teacher unions buy and sell Board of Education so that they sit on the same side with the Board negotiaters and get sweetheart deals... I want to see just that.
    Its not enough to claim that teachers vote. No argument there.
    Its not enough to claim that teachers unions endorse candidates. No argument there.
    Its not enough to claim that teachers unions contribute to the campaigns of endorsed candidates. No argument there.

    I want to see the sweetheart deal that was negotiated between Union negotiators and their toadies negotiating for the board. If you cannot provide that, you have nothing more than Americans exercising their Constitutional rights.

    That seems to really get under your skin that i would ask you to prove the position that you support and chime in with support when others voice it also.

    Just like this in this thread. You made a boast, I asked you for evidence and you failed to give any because you know whats coming. You know that what you will present will fall far short of actually delivering on your boast and claim. You probably went back and read your boast and figured that you again stepped into it and cannot possibly get out of it clean.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Ive been saying this for years! Teachers are paid TWICE what they are worth! Reading this REALLY pisses me off!



    $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher | The Weekly Standard
    Amen.....$100,000 for subprime union slob teachers....who give our children a subprime education..... all paid for by the average taxpayer making around $40,000.......

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Amen.....$100,000 for subprime union slob teachers....who give our children a subprime education..... all paid for by the average taxpayer making around $40,000.......

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Haymarket, you're starting to scare me. You said superintendents don't belong to unions. I show you they do. Then you say, as if I'm somehow wrong, welllllll, they aren't in the same bargaining union. You are disingenuous. Anything to avoid buying a lady dinner.
    I had never heard of this group. I went to the website and notice that they have but 20,000 members nationwide. I imagine that is a drop in the bucket compared to the actual number of school administrators in America. I also notice they describe themselves as a "professional organization". But I defer to you finding a union of administrators. You are right that there is one and I was wrong in saying that they are not unionized.

    I would add the caveat that unless the administrators and the teachers belong to the same union, there is no conflict of interest in the administrators carrying out their supervising duties over teachers so my point on this issue has not changed.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I had never heard of this group. I went to the website and notice that they have but 20,000 members nationwide. I imagine that is a drop in the bucket compared to the actual number of school administrators in America. I also notice they describe themselves as a "professional organization". But I defer to you finding a union of administrators. You are right that there is one and I was wrong in saying that they are not unionized.

    I would add the caveat that unless the administrators and the teachers belong to the same union, there is no conflict of interest in the administrators carrying out their supervising duties over teachers so my point on this issue has not changed.
    You almost got a thanks. ;-) No conflict of interest?? My lily white...
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    An education is not given, it is taken. If you didn't get one, too bad for you. Did you not see the line?
    In our government run education system to nowhere........

    ...........every child is entitled to a subprime education.........and the Teachers Union delivers.
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