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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    -- And Haymarket moves the goalposts yet again.

    You say:

    ....school administrators (who are NOT unionized by the way)
    I show:

    Unions of the AFL-CIO

    Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) | Contact info | Website
    Amalgamated Transit Union (ATU) | Contact info | Website
    American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) | Contact info | Website
    American Federation of Musicians of the United States and Canada (AFM) | Contact info | Website
    American Federation of School Administrators (AFSA) | Contact info | Website
    Etc. Etc. Etc.
    Now you say:

    They are not in the teachers union nor are they represented by the same bargaining unit.
    You are quite the hoot, my friend.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually teacher pay raises are often mandated in their contract. it's all seniority, after all.



    true.





    and this all raises a good point; why should we suspect that higher pay is linked to student performance, since the Unions thus far have successfully defeated every effort to link pay to performance?
    if in the budget, at least in states other than Illinois....my son got nothing the last 2 years here in AZ....
    He is in the process of getting his administrators certificate, so he can get a pay raise. He would rather just teach, but can't afford to with a wife and 3 kids. He coaches and DJ's for extra money, his wife does photo shoots at weddings, school dances, etc.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I come from one of the best public school districts in the country...it's really hard for me to read Noodle's claims that all teachers have to do is walk in and write stuff on the chalkboard in order to do their job. This simply isn't the case. We have a teacher SHORTAGE in this country, not a surplus. That should tell you something.
    Agreed that underplaying the job does nothing to support the credibility of their claims. Salary.com lists some more factual, less political data on teacher salaries: Teacher-High-School Salary - Salary.com

    Note that the figure is for a 15-year teaching veteran. Also note that geographical locations have different demands. While $50K goes quite a ways in my part of Texas, it doesn't go very far in Los Angeles or New York.

    Further, as SB75 alludes, jobs are like commodities subject to the laws of supply and demand. Schools need teachers, but if there is a teacher shortage, they need to offer more money to attract teachers to take the job. Why put up with the BS of teaching someone else's spoiled brats if they can make the same amount of money in a nice, quiet office job and not have to take their job home with them every night?

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wind View Post
    Why put up with the BS of teaching someone else's spoiled brats if they can make the same amount of money in a nice, quiet office job and not have to take their job home with them every night?
    Oh, I dunno. Might have something to do with summers off, two weeks at Christmas, spring break, being able to retire at 55 with a healthy pension...
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    By this logic...
    It's not logic. It's the definition of annualized.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But in the value that they got for their tax dollars, it most definitely would.
    Perhaps, but that's not annualizing the cost.

    If I owe $1000/yr in property taxes and I pay that once a year on one day, I can't "annualize" that and say it's equivalent to $365,000/yr. It's still just $1000/yr. It's already annualized. It's already in it's annual form.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    SR enlisted with 20+ years in are getting paid roughly comparable amounts. Base Pay for an E8 at 20 years is $4568 a month, with a monthly allowance for housing (assuming dependents and living in Milwaulkee) of an additional $1320. BAS (basic allowance for sustinance; what the military pays you to feed your family) would be another $323. So a pre-tax income of about $74,300 per anum. Add in subsidized health and life insurance (we pay, but it's very little - maybe 3%), and other miscelaneous items (you don't have to pay for glasses, when you deploy you make danger pay, force seperation allowance, etc), and I could see it being about-ish the same.

    not that I don't agree that Teachers' salaries are out of whack; the AVERAGE teacher making a comparable income as the narrow amount of our TOP enlisted personnel isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison
    I don't think the bennies add up to 26k a year to make up the difference. Nevertheless, you're forgetting that this 101k a year for teachers is an average and doesn't include the bennies you used to make up the difference between Sr enlisted over 20 years to the average school teacher. No offense to teachers, but a 20 year career military person has had considerably more training and and a much more arduous life.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is what I want to know.
    Without this information, it's an incomplete comparison



    An incomplete comparison is a misleading argument popular in advertising. For example, an advertiser might say "product X is better". This is an incomplete assertion, so it can't be refuted. A complete assertion, such as "product X sells for a lower price than product Y" or "the new product X lasts longer than the old product X" could be tested and possibly refuted.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, I dunno. Might have something to do with summers off, two weeks at Christmas, spring break, being able to retire at 55 with a healthy pension...
    Is that why you do it or do you have a job which pays even better for less work?

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am not surprised that you cannot back up your claim with facts and evidence.
    there's plenty. i know that both are true across the broad spectrum of the United States; and so if i wanted to spend an hour or so digging i'm sure i could find you the Perfect Example, or the study that proves, so on and so forth. there are plenty of studies that demonstrate that the amount of money spent per child has little effect (if any) on their test scores past a bare point - no doubt buried in there is the information that would pretty decisively answer the question.

    it's just that - unfortunately - you are no longer worth digging it out for. If it was obvious child, who is rude and abusive, but at least logical and debates with evidence, then I might. i just finished a two-poster reply to him.

    but you have repeatedly demonstrated that the effort would be wasted on you. you aren't interested in honest debate.

    you're a tireless rebutter

    Its probably unfair to ask you to find proof which does not exist.
    so. teachers compensation has gone down over the past few decades? the teachers unions cannot do their jobs?

    or is it that you want to claim that America's students scores are improving?

    You should learn a lesson from your posts on the teachers union buying and owning the negotiators across the table form them
    that is actually what i am referencing. oldreliable and i provided a wealth of information for you in that thread, only to have you constantly refuse to respond to it, followed by you moving the goalposts.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, I dunno. Might have something to do with summers off, two weeks at Christmas, spring break, being able to retire at 55 with a healthy pension...
    I took an enhanced severance/retirement package at age 58, started drawing Navy Reserve retirement at age 60, social security at age 62. Drawing from multiple sources, my retirement is less than my wife's teacher retirement, but she did 27 years at one job, I moved around from Navy to 2 civilian companies. The 2 civilian companies only pay about $700 per month combined.
    OTOH, except for her last 5 years teaching, I made more as a technician than she did teaching. I guess a generous retirement package can make up for low pay.
    I didn't get the time off that she did, but I retired 3 years earlier.
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