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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the last few decades have seen teacher compensation soar and student scores plummit. I'm thinking I would like to see your evidence that there is that strong a correlation between the two at this point.
    Part of the part (not all!) is parents. Give little Johnny a "D" and the parents beotch up a storm and threaten to sue, so teacher hands out a "B" or higher instead to save the hassle. When little Johnny turns 18 he feels "special" because of his grades, but in reality, he doesn't know crap.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the last few decades have seen teacher compensation soar and student scores plummit. I'm thinking I would like to see your evidence that there is that strong a correlation between the two at this point.
    Our kids and most of their friends got better grades than I ever did. Might be that good grades are easier to get now?
    As for compensation soaring...maybe in some places, but the last 2 years in Peoria Unified school district in AZ, no raises....due to budget issues. we have the recession to blame for that.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wind View Post
    Part of the part (not all!) is parents. Give little Johnny a "D" and the parents beotch up a storm and threaten to sue, so teacher hands out a "B" or higher instead to save the hassle. When little Johnny turns 18 he feels "special" because of his grades, but in reality, he doesn't know crap.
    or crap is all he knows....
    a friend with an engineering degree went back to school to become a teacher. She didn't last long. She caught students teaching, and the parents had a fit when she failed them on the test. The school did not back her up, and she quit.
    The high school in a small town in Idaho where we lived for a while had an honor roll and a high honor roll. Only the best made the high honor roll, practically the rest of the student body made the honor roll, even if they couldn't spell, punctuate, construct a sentence or paragraph properly, etc.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I would like to see your data supporting both of your claims as well.
    that teacher compensation has risen while student performances have dropped?

    you really need to see evidence of that?

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    information from Maggie

    * Out of 95,000 tenured teachers in Illinois an average of seven are fired each year, two for poor performance and five for misconduct.

    * Eighty-four percent of Illinois' school districts have never given any tenured teacher a bad job evaluation during an 11-year period.
    Excellent evidence which shows that administrators are doing a woefully sad job of performing their own duties. But your outrage and ire is directed to teachers and not to school administrators (who are NOT unionized by the way) who are responsible for holding teachers accountable.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that teacher compensation has risen while student performances have dropped?

    you really need to see evidence of that?
    YES. And please connect them to the same school district so we can see the actual connection where it takes place.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Excellent evidence which shows that administrators are doing a woefully sad job of performing their own duties. But your outrage and ire is directed to teachers and not to school administrators (who are NOT unionized by the way) who are responsible for holding teachers accountable.

    Amazing. Simply amazing.
    fascinating. if it's administrators fault that the unions are so successful at defending bad teachers, is it also the teachers fault that some students have mental deficiencies, or are extreme behavioral problems?

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that teacher compensation has risen while student performances have dropped?

    you really need to see evidence of that?
    I wouldn't doubt that student performance has dropped in some areas, or that teacher compensation has risen (you first said soared, backing off?). Teachers get raises each year, if the money is in the budget, just like workers in other jobs...
    Student performance is NOT a function of poor teaching as much as it is poor parenting and lazy students. If they spent as much time studying as they do listening to crap music and watching crap TV, they might do better.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    In one sense, it's quite remarkable that average teacher salaries have increased. Since union contracts dictate that pay be based on longevity, replacing retired teachers at the top of the salary schedule with new ones who make the minimum base salary puts downward pressure on the overall average salary. As demonstrated, increasing enrollments in public charter schools also limits the growth of the average teacher salary because those teachers earn less.

    On the other hand, it's not surprising to see rising average salaries. Teacher pay is determined by a single salary schedule that has built-in automatic pay raises, based solely on longevity and the types of college degrees obtained. On top of this, districts make all their staffing decisions based on seniority, meaning that the highest paid teachers will always be the last ones let go if districts must downsize their staff due to declining enrollments or rising labor costs.

    Since these factors contributing to a rising average salary do not have any significant impact on improving teacher effectiveness, we shouldn't expect student achievement to rise alongside the average teacher salary....

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    YES. And please connect them to the same school district so we can see the actual connection where it takes place.
    no thanks. i'm tired of doing endless research for you only to have you pretend it doesn't exist. i think i'll go with your strategy here and leave this a just-so argument.


    over the past couple of decades, teacher compensation has risen while student scores have dropped [/just-so]

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