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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    For less? where do I sign up?
    Do we need more teachers? I thought there was a long line, a 3 year waiting list.....according to Giant Noodle...

    Your logic on this makes no sense at all.
    Now if the unions actually CARED about those kids (which they dont) then they wouldnt be asking for a HUGE amount of money. See if they were getting paid $27K a year ($25 an hour) then we could hire more teachers to better teach the children.... and there are people that would LOVE to have that kind of job being a teacher.

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    bull, back that up if you can....
    A Google away . . .

    * Out of 95,000 tenured teachers in Illinois an average of seven are fired each year, two for poor performance and five for misconduct.

    * Eighty-four percent of Illinois' school districts have never given any tenured teacher a bad job evaluation during an 11-year period.

    * Over a five-year period school districts that retained attorneys and attempted to fire a tenured teacher spent an average $219,000 per case in legal fees alone.

    ``When a school board decides to invest the staff time and money into firing a tenured teacher, we are usually talking about someone pretty bad at their job. The cases that come before a tenure hearing officer are almost always for those who are the worst in the profession,'' said Larry Janes, a former school superintendent and a consultant to the Illinois Principals' Association.

    Even so, school boards lose one-third of the cases heard by tenure hearing officers. But even if a hearing officer upholds the firing of teacher, they are free to seek employment in another school district.

    In fact, none of the tenured teachers fired in the last decade have had subsequent action taken to revoke or suspend their teaching certificates.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Your logic on this makes no sense at all.
    Now if the unions actually CARED about those kids (which they dont) then they wouldnt be asking for a HUGE amount of money. See if they were getting paid $27K a year ($25 an hour) then we could hire more teachers to better teach the children.... and there are people that would LOVE to have that kind of job being a teacher.

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    Noodle... this makes no sense. At that salary, not only would you have trouble hiring good people to teach, you'd have problems hiring anyone. So, there would be LESS teachers, and WORSE teachers.

    This is why your position is not logical.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Oh.... they were never off my list. I sold two way radios, dispatch equipment among other related services and devices to public safety and school districts for about 5 years. Why??? What do YOU do??
    sales? SALES? any halfwit off the street can be cleaned up and taught sales....the cleaning up is harder than the training, usually....

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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Your logic on this makes no sense at all.
    Now if the unions actually CARED about those kids (which they dont) then they wouldnt be asking for a HUGE amount of money. See if they were getting paid $27K a year ($25 an hour) then we could hire more teachers to better teach the children.... and there are people that would LOVE to have that kind of job being a teacher.

    See! Its easy
    Despite the fact that teachers are more dedicated to their job (as a sense of title) than usual workers, it does not mean you could give incentive for more to join their position by lowering salaries. That is why many I know simply wouldn't bother.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Your logic on this makes no sense at all.
    Now if the unions actually CARED about those kids (which they dont) then they wouldnt be asking for a HUGE amount of money. See if they were getting paid $27K a year ($25 an hour) then we could hire more teachers to better teach the children.... and there are people that would LOVE to have that kind of job being a teacher. See! Its easy
    It is only easy when you make things up to support your wrong ideas. If these people would love to be a teacher, why aren't they getting degrees and applying for the jobs in greater numbers?
    There are standards to be met, govt standards. We can't let just any unwashed ignorant person off the street into our classrooms.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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    A Google away . . .



    The Hidden Cost of Tenure

    Well, hell, if you are going to say that ALL teachers are in Illinois, OK, I have to agree with you.....
    Everybody knows Illinois has a lot of corruption, doesn't scale up to the whole country, tho.

    Bedtime for me, I will return at a later time to attempt to teach the unteachable. Until then, CC is in charge.
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Another Google away . . .
    Wouldn't want you to just think it was Illinois:

    In Wayzata, a teacher kept his job despite extensive allegations that he spent most of his class time surfing the Internet.

    In Minneapolis, the district paid a teacher $35,000 to resign, rather than try to fire her.

    In the Anoka-Hennepin School District, the state's largest, officials can't remember the last time they fired a veteran teacher for incompetence.

    As the debate about teacher quality intensifies in Minnesota, a Star Tribune investigation has found that bad teachers in the state hardly ever get fired. Rather than endure an expensive and contentious dismissal process, school districts instead turn to a patchwork of other methods to try to remove low-performing teachers. Those include paying them off or "counseling them out."
    State's bad teachers rarely get fired | StarTribune.com
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    Re: $101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Well, hell, if you are going to say that ALL teachers are in Illinois, OK, I have to agree with you.....
    Everybody knows Illinois has a lot of corruption, doesn't scale up to the whole country, tho.

    Bedtime for me, I will return at a later time to attempt to teach the unteachable. Until then, CC is in charge.
    Sounds like a failed educator to me . . .
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