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Gov Christie suspends union members for fake calling out sick

People detest lazy leeches like these folks. Christie is earning HUGE points with the people that actually get up and go put in an honest day's work.

People are fired up that these unions are finally being taken to task.

yeah...i guess teachers, cops and firemen don't put in an honest day's work.
 
Public Unions are almost completely useless anyways. All they do is serve to voice opinions....public workers can't strike and the Union has no say in discipline or firings.

You are out of your mind. Remember the PATCO strike? They had no right to strike, either. Didn't we just see some school in Wisconsin who were forced to close because union thugs refused to work and expected sick slips to get them off the hook. And, it probably will. That's not a strike.

And I'm sure it's the management that wants terminations of criminal or incometent employees to take years.
 
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Christie is doing great,when you see the idiots and thier big mouths attacking him for things personally instead of his policies, you know they think he's a threat to them and act the fool and all childish over irrellevant personal charactaristics.

Christie would make a great president.

then i guess obama is doing great as well, since people attack him personally, and not his policies. many, many right here on this board.
 
officials alleged that 174 developmentally disabled adults who depend on the county's services ended up "waiting for buses that never came."

So, while they're suspended, is he going to be driving the buses?
 
then i guess obama is doing great as well, since people attack him personally, and not his policies. many, many right here on this board.


Christie is doing great not because a couple of morons calls him fat. /facepalm
 
Well your expression of interest is gratifying, so much so that I'm surprise that you don't already know all the rules being such a big union supporter and all.

Do you know how many different union contracts exist in America?

Do you actually expect me or anyone to simply "KNOW ALL THE UNION RULES"? Gimme a break already.

btw - these are NOT "union rules". A contract is signed and becomes the property of both parties which sign it.
 
You lied about me, made a claim, then when I challenged you to back it up, the best you could muster was something from 2008, 3 years ago, and was not the same as your classless behavior.


you want to act like a bigot towards christie that's your perrogative, however it would be foolish to think anyone would take your positions seriously given your lack of ability to maintain self control and your trouble with honesty and integrity. :shrug:

Rev - honest question for you. WHY DO YOU PERSIST IN THIS? You did not like me calling your pin-up boy Jabba the Guv. You pretended outrage and challenged me to show where you engaged in a similar form of mockery. I gave you a thread - a thread which you yourself started - not just participated in but started - in which you invitied other folks here to mock obama as THE MESSIAH.

Case closed and you stand convicted of your own actions.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/38287-obama-messiah-sightings-thread.html

Your thread. Your own first post with an image of Obama as a Christ like figure with a halo around his head. And another mockery in post #3. And a mocking video in post 12... and on it goes as your othe rfellow True believers joined in the mocking fun.

Which is all good and fair. But then you pretend you are above such things and attack me for my Christie remark where I mocked him. Hypocrite.

You should simply slink away and lick your wounds and learn from your mistakes. But that is the the way of the rev now is it? Your proven pattern - and I gave you the remarks of others on this very tactic - is that you call people names like liars and attempt to weasel out of your own indiscretions by coming up with convoluted explainations as to why everyone should not believe the very words you typed and the very mockery you invited all to participate in.

And you will keep this up.

You will continue to post this pretend and phony outrage.

You will continue to pretend that starting a thread inviting everyone to mock Obama as THE MESSIAH is a perfectly fine activity.

Such a fraud is disgusting and an insult to the intelligence of all here.

But you will persist, you will continue, you will post again and again and again until a mod tells it to stop.
 
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Actually, you BOTH will seemingly persist, continue, and post again until a mod tells you to stop. So I'm sitting here telling you both, to stop it. Stop the personal attacks, stop the baiting rhetoric in this thread, and discuss the topic civily.
 
Governor Christie did the right thing suspending these folks. Dishonesty is not a virtue, and calling in sick when you are not to attend a union rally is a poor example for these folks kids.
 



The less we see of these unions the better. Given how the top acts, is it no wonder that there are elements in these enterprises that would be dishonest in thier claims? Christie was correct in suspending them, He now needs to bust this union.
 
Look, the people violated the Code of Ethics that ALL new jersey state employees are bound under. If they think they were wrongfully acted against they can take it up through the courts or whatever processes are available to them. They get no sympathy from me. They lied to their employer, fraudulently took tax payer money, and their only excuse is "come on, its not THAT bad".
 
Look, the people violated the Code of Ethics that ALL new jersey state employees are bound under. If they think they were wrongfully acted against they can take it up through the courts or whatever processes are available to them. They get no sympathy from me. They lied to their employer, fraudulently took tax payer money, and their only excuse is "come on, its not THAT bad".




exactly, There is a lot of talk by some about "contracts" and it is hammered by these folks that the managment has to abide by them, here you have the opposite. They violated thier contract. Suspension is warranted, a second offense they should be fired.
 
I wish that Christie would run for president. I support the bill. Public employees should not be allowed to call out sick when they aren't and still get paid by taxpayers. I would consider it a form of theft and dishonesty. If you lie to your employer and call out sick when you aren't you deserve unpaid suspension. Such actions should not be tolerated in the workforce and especially at the expense of taxpayer dollars. If you need off work for personal reasons you should let your employer know in advance and request off on that day or use a vacation day. Calling in sick and getting paid to go to union rallies is incredibly deceitful and wrong. In my opinion, the teachers that demand that taxpayers be financially enslaved so that they can enjoy unmerited benefits should be fired and told to grow up.
 
In all these posts in which people who have no actual information about the exact contents of the contract pontificate about what is in it, perhaps just a single one of you could cite the actual contract language?

And then perhaps you can give us the history of how any such situations have routinely handled for that bargaining unit over the life of the contract as a matter of practice?

Without that, all we have is not even dust in the wind.
 
I say if their contracts didn't allow for this Christie wouldn't have done it and the union would've fought it based on that basis. Want to prove otherwise, produce their contracts to prove there's nothing in them that this would fall under. Otherwise all you have is dust in the wind. I've already showed you the Code of Ethics that all NJ employees are held to and how they violated that. You ignored that, changed the goal posts to the "union contracts" and have been bitching ever since acting like you have ground to stand on when you've actually presented nothing more than empy words.

In our favor
1. The NJ employee code of ethics, with a segment they arguably violated
2. The Governor of the state actually took the action
3. The unions haven't stated it was illegal based on the contracts

What you have in your favor
1. Statements made singularly by you that maybe the contract doesn't allow for it

you talking about dust in the wind for anyone other than yourself is nothing but wishful thinking of a person without a leg to stand on in this debate but refusing to take the ego hit from backing down.
 
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In all these posts in which people who have no actual information about the exact contents of the contract pontificate about what is in it, perhaps just a single one of you could cite the actual contract language?

And then perhaps you can give us the history of how any such situations have routinely handled for that bargaining unit over the life of the contract as a matter of practice?

Without that, all we have is not even dust in the wind.




Perhaps you can show us, said contract, or any contract where sick days are ok for playing hooky for a state worker, in any state. I'll wait.
 
In all these posts in which people who have no actual information about the exact contents of the contract pontificate about what is in it, perhaps just a single one of you could cite the actual contract language?

And then perhaps you can give us the history of how any such situations have routinely handled for that bargaining unit over the life of the contract as a matter of practice?

Without that, all we have is not even dust in the wind.

Your opinions would have so much more validity if you ocassionally just said, "Yeah, that really wasn't right. They should have used a personal day."

And if anyone posted up the contract, oops!! There go those goalposts again!! "Show me how they've enforced it on a case-by-case basis in the past." Good grief, Charlie Haymarket.
 
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What I don't understand is the hypocrisy of these Democrats and liberals who are against this bill yet will scream accusations of evil corporate greed or oppression by the rich. You do realize that what these teachers are doing is along the same mindset of corporate greed and employe abuse. Only with the teachers, the tables are turned. In corporate greed you have stingy corporations cutting wages, hours, benefits, and jobs in order to increase profits. They overwork employees by having them do the duties of more than one person so that they can pay less staff. I'm sure most of you who oppose this bill are against actions like this. Now let's compare it with the teachers and public employees. They are abusing their employer, the state (who receives its funding from us taxpayers). Their greed is no less righteous than that of certain corporations. They want to receive outlandish benefits that do not merit their jobs. They want to be rewarded for deceit in the form of free money for fake accusations of sickness. They abuse their employer and demand that the taxpayers foot their bills and pay them more. Their greed and laziness is wicked and just as evil as corporate greed that many of you despise. The public employees are being greedy and sapping funds from us. They demand that we pay them to not work and demand rewards for dishonesty. They act like spoiled children who believe everything is entitled to them at the financial expense of others. This is wrong, and this should not be tolerated. This is also abusive greed, only its effects are felt on a higher level as it impacts all taxpayers and the state budget. Union greed is wrong, it is unjust, and it should not be allowed. It's hypocrisy to hate corporate greed yet support union greed and the abuse of taxpayers by lazy and immature state employees.
 
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Perhaps you can show us, said contract, or any contract where sick days are ok for playing hooky for a state worker, in any state. I'll wait.

You see rev & Maggie & Zyphlin - I am NOT accusing these folks of anything.... folks like YOU are accussing them.

It is incumbent on those making the allegations of wrondgoing to prove the wrongdoing. In this nation, until the fascists take over at least, we are still innocent until proven guilty. So if you want to castigate and accuse these people, at least have the common decency to do your homework and prove it.

But if you are fine donning the costumes of the Bavarian villagers with pitchforks and burning torches in hand storming the villa of Herr Frankenstien hoping to slay the monster, that is on you. For my money, I will stick with innocent until proven guilty.

It is more than revealing that in the more than ten days this story has been around, not one person here or nationally has published such information. That is very very telling and shows me you have nothing or it would have been revealed by now.
 
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You see rev & Maggie & Zyphlin - I am NOT accusing these folks of anything.... folks like YOU are accussing them.

It is incumbent on those making the allegations of wrondgoing to prove the wrongdoing.
In this nation, until the fascists take over at least, we are still innocent until proven guilty. So if you want to castigate and accuse these people, at least have the common decency to do your homework and prove it.

But if you are fine donning the costumes of the Bavarian villagers with pitchforks and burning torches in hand storming the villa of Herr Frankenstien hoping to slay the monster, that is on you. For my money, I will stick with innocent until proven guilty.

It is more than revealing that in the more than ten days this story has been around, not one person here or nationally has published such information. That is very very telling and shows me you have nothing or it would have been revealed by now.



N.J. labor unions expected to rally in Trenton in support of Wisconsin public workers | NJ.com

http://www.dailytargum.com/news/union-workers-rally-in-trenton-1.2485668

Monmouth County suspends 3 workers over phony sick day charges to attend union rally

Not sick, but not at work. Proven. Information "published"
 
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You see rev & Maggie & Zyphlin - I am NOT accusing these folks of anything.... folks like YOU are accussing them.

It is incumbent on those making the allegations of wrondgoing to prove the wrongdoing. In this nation, until the fascists take over at least, we are still innocent until proven guilty. So if you want to castigate and accuse these people, at least have the common decency to do your homework and prove it.

But if you are fine donning the costumes of the Bavarian villagers with pitchforks and burning torches in hand storming the villa of Herr Frankenstien hoping to slay the monster, that is on you. For my money, I will stick with innocent until proven guilty.

It is more than revealing that in the more than ten days this story has been around, not one person here or nationally has published such information. That is very very telling and shows me you have nothing or it would have been revealed by now.

Now THAT'S what I call hyperbole!! :rofl :rofl
 
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