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    The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee

    Pulitzer Prize winning tax reporter, David Cay Johnston, has written a brilliant piece for tax.com exposing the truth about who really pays for the pension and benefits for public employees in Wisconsin.

    Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

    Via tax.com

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    Let the parroting begin....

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Pulitzer Prize winning tax reporter, David Cay Johnston, has written a brilliant piece for tax.com exposing the truth about who really pays for the pension and benefits for public employees in Wisconsin.

    Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

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    ........after that 100 cents is stolen from the taxpayers.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    ........after that 100 cents is stolen from the taxpayers.
    "Setting aside the exception I take to your referring to my ‘peddling’ anything, do you really not see the distinction between characterizing the pension plan as some unfair gift to state workers versus a deferral of the salaries to which they are entitled?

    If you can’t see this distinction, I’m not quite sure what I can tell you that would make it appear more clearly. I presume you have a retirement plan funded by what you earn When the plan begins paying out to you, will that be some gift you’ve been given or simply the payout on the money- your money- that you put in?

    As I’ve said, if you want to argue that the public employees should take a pay cut, fine. But call it what it is – a pay cut.

    But when this argument is presented as these people getting some taxpayer benefit beyond getting paid their salaries for the work they do, just who is it that is peddling the misguided information?"
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    "Setting aside the exception I take to your referring to my ‘peddling’ anything, do you really not see the distinction between characterizing the pension plan as some unfair gift to state workers versus a deferral of the salaries to which they are entitled?
    Characterizing the pension plan as deferred compensation is disingenuous. It is a pension plan. And whatever this Pullet Surprise writer calls it, it is still greater and sweeter than virtually any pension plan on the planet. Ridiculous.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique/Rick Ungar View Post
    "Setting aside the exception I take to your referring to my ‘peddling’ anything, do you really not see the distinction between characterizing the pension plan as some unfair gift to state workers versus a deferral of the salaries to which they are entitled?

    If you can’t see this distinction, I’m not quite sure what I can tell you that would make it appear more clearly. I presume you have a retirement plan funded by what you earn When the plan begins paying out to you, will that be some gift you’ve been given or simply the payout on the money- your money- that you put in?

    As I’ve said, if you want to argue that the public employees should take a pay cut, fine. But call it what it is – a pay cut.

    But when this argument is presented as these people getting some taxpayer benefit beyond getting paid their salaries for the work they do, just who is it that is peddling the misguided information?"
    First....dont use Rick Ungars own arguments from the comment section. As you can see......things are not going so well for Ricky down there.....

    Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth........if you have a source of revenue for these bloated union salaries, gold plated health care, and diamond inlayed pensions.........besides THE TAXPAYER......let it and your argument here be known.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Characterizing the pension plan as deferred compensation is disingenuous. It is a pension plan. And whatever this Pullet Surprise writer calls it, it is still greater and sweeter than virtually any pension plan on the planet. Ridiculous.
    in OHio the Public unionistas have to contribut 11percent of their salary for their pensions and I believe 6 percent for their medical

    in wisconsin, what is it



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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Pulitzer Prize winning tax reporter, David Cay Johnston, has written a brilliant piece for tax.com exposing the truth about who really pays for the pension and benefits for public employees in Wisconsin.

    Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

    Via tax.com

    How can this be possible?

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    Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, where does the money come from to pay those public employees?
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Wisconsin public employees currently are only paying 6% toward their healthcare premiums. Governor Walkers proposal is implementing that they pay 12%, which is STILL nearly half the national average. To being with they're over compensated at it is, and average Wisconsin school teachers full compensation is $78,000 for a 180 day school year, which averages out to $433 dollars a day.

    These people need to realize that public unions have guaranteed them money that they simply do not have, and that although they are paid for by the government, they are also intact to cuts in the budget. A major contribution to state debts nation wide is public pensions, you would not believe the percentage in Illinois, somewhere around 30-35%
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Wisconsin public employees currently are only paying 6% toward their healthcare premiums. Governor Walkers proposal is implementing that they pay 12%, which is STILL nearly half the national average. To being with they're over compensated at it is, and average Wisconsin school teachers full compensation is $78,000 for a 180 day school year, which averages out to $433 dollars a day.

    These people need to realize that public unions have guaranteed them money that they simply do not have, and that although they are paid for by the government, they are also intact to cuts in the budget. A major contribution to state debts nation wide is public pensions, you would not believe the percentage in Illinois, somewhere around 30-35%
    and the teachers have agreed to this. so what's the governor's problem?

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    The GOP's war on public employees is nothing more than a veiled attempt to take the focus off of their corporate bedbuddies and the billions of dollars of corporate welfare that they love to hand out.
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