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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    With all due respect you have no idea about which you pontificate. You might actually consider sticking to topics you know something about--economics is not one of them.

    If you read my post, you would understand that the rate at which income is taxed is NOT the issue. It is the RATE INCOME IS TAXED RELATIVE TO THE RATE INCOME IS TAXED IN ANOTHER COUNTRY, which is the issue. If the combined Federal/State/local corporate tax rate is 48% in the United States and it is only 34% in Mexico where do you think multi-national corporations will elect to pay taxes if given a choice?

    Not only is your economics deficient, but you my also wish to stay out of the history forums as well as your recollection of recent history is as bad as your economics.
    yes our higher tax rates are causing the mexican people to find ways to illegally move into and reside within the USA [/sarcasm]
    could the reason for business relocation to mexico be the lower cost of labor there? of course not, it must only be the tax rate you insist
    and yet you seem not to understand that if the tax laws make huge portions of revenues be found as untaxable income - and our tax laws are rife with such loopholes - then excluding those revenues from being subject to taxation far offsets any difference in tax rates
    a reality you conveniently ignore ... apparently due to your "mastery" of things economic
    and i do understand why you want me to quit responding rebuttals to your lame posts. you do not want such stupidity exposed
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post


    Why don't you ask California what happens when you privatize public-run services. See Enron and Calinfornia's energy crisis. It's a terrible, terrrrrrrible idea. You will literally get raped of your money.
    Why would you ask California anything?

    Every government program they have was bankrupt 10 years ago.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You mean like health care?
    Exactly like health care. Healthcare costs in America didn't start spiraling out of control until the years after the federal governmental passed medicare and medicaid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Because private companies don't have to make a profit.[/QUOTE
    Profit is not an evil word. The lack of accountability for failure to make a profit or reel in out of control costs is why the public sector will fail every time. The public sector is incentivized by maintaining a power base, and spending as much money as possible to stay in power. The private sector is incentivized by maximizing revenues at the lowest possible cost. If given a choice between profit and power which is more evil?

    [/QUOTE=Your opening comment has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Let's see where you go from there...
    No you have me beat, hands down

    [/QUOTE=Right, because American companies like GM and Chrysler make great stuff. Smooth and safe like an oil rig?[/QUOTE]

    I'm not fond of either company, too many big government liberals working for both companies. I prefer BMW's, now thats a for profit company that makes a damn good product.

    [/QUOTE=And how are those private prisons working out... with the law suits and all?[/QUOTE]

    Honestly I do not know enough about the topic to be say for sure. However, my guess is they are highly regulated, much like the casino business and Hospitals. As a result, they will probably fail until such time arrives when they can shed the shackles of suppressing state regulations. Until such time arrives the results will be mixed. I would cite companies such as UPS or American Express as the models for truly private companies who have succeeded where the government failed. These companies have both beat the USPS at their own game.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    it looks like a done deal in ohio

    Ohio Advances Curbs on Public Unions - WSJ.com

    this is not surprising, the pros saw it coming quite awhile ago, due to the composition of the buckeye legislature

    what's going on in ohio and wisconsin is sweeping the nation, and the wave is huge

    in each particular locality, it's just going to be a matter of degree

    fyi

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    Exactly like health care. Healthcare costs in America didn't start spiraling out of control until the years after the federal governmental passed medicare and medicaid.

    Profit is not an evil word. The lack of accountability for failure to make a profit or reel in out of control costs is why the public sector will fail every time. The public sector is incentivized by maintaining a power base, and spending as much money as possible to stay in power. The private sector is incentivized by maximizing revenues at the lowest possible cost. If given a choice between profit and power which is more evil?
    NeverGolfPar, when you want to start the quote, you don't use the slash. The [/QUOTE] stops the quote. To start it, it's just [QUOTE].
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This is bunk. The percentage of taxation on profits doesn't decrease.

    Ya'll really need to stop reading this propaganda.

    I love Leftists scream about, "loopholes", too. Where are those loopholes? Better question, what are they. I want some of that, too.
    Did you even read the information? The point was and is that the rates on the books mean precious little compared to the actual taxes that many companies actually pay. That is not BUNK - it is REALITY.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes our higher tax rates are causing the mexican people to find ways to illegally move into and reside within the USA [/sarcasm]
    could the reason for business relocation to mexico be the lower cost of labor there? of course not, it must only be the tax rate you insist
    and yet you seem not to understand that if the tax laws make huge portions of revenues be found as untaxable income - and our tax laws are rife with such loopholes - then excluding those revenues from being subject to taxation far offsets any difference in tax rates
    a reality you conveniently ignore ... apparently due to your "mastery" of things economic
    and i do understand why you want me to quit responding rebuttals to your lame posts. you do not want such stupidity exposed
    Again, you read but do not understand. I did not say anything about business relocating to mexico. I only suggested where they might wish to pay a majority of their taxes on income earned IN BOTH COUNTRIES!!!!!

    You do realize there is no such thing as 'untaxable income' in this country? All income earned worldwide is subjected to Federal income tax laws placed on both individuals and corporations.

    However, the coup de grace in your last post is when you inadvertently admit that I am correct, when you state, '...then excluding those revenues from being subject to taxation far offsets any differences in tax rates'. You just admitted that since 'tax loopholes' exist (which they don't but my view is moot to your commentary), companies will use this so call 'untaxable income' (another figment of your imagination, but my facts are again moot) to offset 'any difference in tax rates'. You just said that because tax laws are so 'lax' in this country, multinational corporations do not have to shop corporate tax rates amongst countries because ours are the lowest anyway (a false statement). Since you believe this, you inadvertently proved my original point. While we both come to the same conclusion, we just did it from different angles (your angle is still incorrect). All I can say is thanks for helping me prove you wrong in your mistaken belief that companies do not shop tax rates between countries.

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    MaggieD you have been my savior twice today;-) mwah!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    This is all well and fine, now just tell me what the federal tax payments have to do with state budgets ???
    Here is why. The Governor of our state just delivered his budget message and he is cuting back revenue sharing funds by over $300 milion dollars. One big reason: the revenue sharing monies and other federal programs to his state have been cut in Washington. If Washington has more money, states get more money in revenue sharing... then cities and towns get more money.

    One big reason the feds have less is major corporations not paying the actual rates that apply to them.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Did you even read the information? The point was and is that the rates on the books mean precious little compared to the actual taxes that many companies actually pay. That is not BUNK - it is REALITY.
    Corporations pay 35% on their reported profit. If that profit is $10, or a $1,000,000. The rate doesn't go down.
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