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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    $78,000 is the second highest salary in the U.S. -- Where'd you get that winner?




    I get it, you're one of the people who don't like to pay taxes. I guess the hundred of public services that benefit you, directly or indirectly, every single day all just magically happen.

    So, please tell name one privately owned business that makes no use of public services--including roads, streets, police, fire... Is their home office on the moon?
    If you privatized roads, streets, police, fire and everything else not only would things run a hell of a lot cheaper, but the roads would be smoother, the streets cleaner, the police would catch more criminals, and the fire department would take less time to respond to an emergency.

    While I can't intellectually give you an answer to your question, I can respond with another question you can't answer...name me one governmental agency that does not use the services of some privately held company? Name just one...you can't do it either.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    If you privatized roads, streets, police, fire and everything else not only would things run a hell of a lot cheaper, but the roads would be smoother, the streets cleaner, the police would catch more criminals, and the fire department would take less time to respond to an emergency.

    While I can't intellectually give you an answer to your question, I can respond with another question you can't answer...name me one governmental agency that does not use the services of some privately held company? Name just one...you can't do it either.


    Why don't you ask California what happens when you privatize public-run services. See Enron and Calinfornia's energy crisis. It's a terrible, terrrrrrrible idea. You will literally get raped of your money.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    EXACTLY MY POINT!!!! Corporate tax contributions will continue to decrease until such time as corporate tax rates start to fall. In an over-taxed society multi-national corporations will continue to shelter income until such time as TAX RATES ARE REDUCED TO MORE COMPETITIVE LEVELS WITH OTHER COUNTRIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is just more advantageous to pay foreign taxes than taxes in the United States.

    Until liberals like yourself understand this basic lesson in human behavior (corporations are run by humans) you will fail achieve the tax revenues you crave.

    Should Obama be successful in closing these so call 'tax loopholes', (they are not tax loopholes but that is what he calls them) then two things will happen. 1) corporations will pass the tax on to the consumer, weakening the middle class even further 2) they will continue to go offshore in their hiring. Either way the middle class will suffer and guys like you will continue to spew forth your 'tax the rich' filth.

    BTW: If you want to stop the US economy from turning into a 'third world country' the only savior is to tax corporations AND INDIVIDUALS less, not more.
    thank you for that economics for dummies presentation

    seems you do not understand that tax rates have fallen to the lowest rates in over 50 years

    the shrub and the neocons who misguided his regime turned a net surplus into a massive deficit
    during his watch the USA went from being the world's foremost creditor nation to the world's major debtor nation
    and what was the republican/neocon mantra over that span? lower tax rates
    it was the presumed panacea for any problem
    and we now recognize - at least those of us who care to look - that it resulted in a great recession
    yet that is the fiscal policy you continue to advocate
    two words: pa thetic
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Reality seems to be getting in the way of your ideology:

    The Gap Between Statutory and Real Corporate Tax Rates
    This is all well and fine, now just tell me what the federal tax payments have to do with state budgets ???

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thank you for that economics for dummies presentation

    seems you do not understand that tax rates have fallen to the lowest rates in over 50 years

    the shrub and the neocons who misguided his regime turned a net surplus into a massive deficit
    during his watch the USA went from being the world's foremost creditor nation to the world's major debtor nation
    and what was the republican/neocon mantra over that span? lower tax rates
    it was the presumed panacea for any problem
    and we now recognize - at least those of us who care to look - that it resulted in a great recession
    yet that is the fiscal policy you continue to advocate
    two words: pa thetic
    This is the difference between a liberal and a conservative, while you see the tax cuts as the cause of our collapsed economy, I see it as just as much a spending problem. Even in the best of times ( the Clinton years) our nation debt still rose every year, that was with a deep defense spending cuts, and at the time the largest tax increase in our history, and robbing our SS fund to boot. Yet with all this, we still seen our nation debt rise over 1.5 trillion dollars.

    Now that reality has caught up with us, liberal see the whole thing as a tax problem, and want to find someone to blame, and will blame anything other then our unrestrained spending for the last 30 or 40 years.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Walker's plan still allows public unions collective bargaining rights over wages. If public unions pay 100% of their pension and benefit programs why are they upset about losing collective bargaining over fringe benefits and pensions?
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and what was the republican/neocon mantra over that span? lower tax rates
    that is the fiscal policy you continue to advocate
    Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

    At Obama's side, Clinton backs tax deal - Politics - White House - msnbc.com

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thank you for that economics for dummies presentation

    seems you do not understand that tax rates have fallen to the lowest rates in over 50 years

    the shrub and the neocons who misguided his regime turned a net surplus into a massive deficit
    during his watch the USA went from being the world's foremost creditor nation to the world's major debtor nation
    and what was the republican/neocon mantra over that span? lower tax rates
    it was the presumed panacea for any problem
    and we now recognize - at least those of us who care to look - that it resulted in a great recession
    yet that is the fiscal policy you continue to advocate
    two words: pa thetic
    With all due respect you have no idea about which you pontificate. You might actually consider sticking to topics you know something about--economics is not one of them.

    If you read my post, you would understand that the rate at which income is taxed is NOT the issue. It is the RATE INCOME IS TAXED RELATIVE TO THE RATE INCOME IS TAXED IN ANOTHER COUNTRY, which is the issue. If the combined Federal/State/local corporate tax rate is 48% in the United States and it is only 34% in Mexico where do you think multi-national corporations will elect to pay taxes if given a choice?

    Not only is your economics deficient, but you my also wish to stay out of the history forums as well as your recollection of recent history is as bad as your economics.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post


    Why don't you ask California what happens when you privatize public-run services. See Enron and Calinfornia's energy crisis. It's a terrible, terrrrrrrible idea. You will literally get raped of your money.
    Let's pull out the score card and evaluate: Enron 65 billion in loses.....Various states teacher pension systems 932.5 billion in loses. If Enron was a raping, what does that make the publicly control teacher pension programs?

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    If you privatized roads, streets, police, fire and everything else not only would things run a hell of a lot cheaper,
    You mean like health care?

    Because private companies don't have to make a profit.

    Your opening comment has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Let's see where you go from there...

    but the roads would be smoother, the streets cleaner, the police would catch more criminals, and the fire department would take less time to respond to an emergency.
    Right, because American companies like GM and Chrysler make great stuff. Smooth and safe like an oil rig?

    And how are those private prisons working out... with the law suits and all?

    While I can't intellectually give you an answer to your question, I can respond with another question you can't answer...name me one governmental agency that does not use the services of some privately held company? Name just one...you can't do it either.
    Paraphrasing: "I'll doge your question by asking you one that really doesn't relate but sounds good."

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