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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i'm sorry, could you please explain what that means?
    You state that this Republican Governor is after all the unions just to "bust them" because he is incorporating them into the budget cuts, which in this day is particularly rare for the public sector. It's constantly happening in the private sector, you know the I just tax the rich and corporations more, but when corporations and rich do see tax hikes, which makes profits fall, you don't see them protesting and making headline news now do you? The corporate tax was just raised in Illinois to help cut the deficit, and they didn't throw a fit did they, and you don't see any in here say that democrats are trying to "bust" corporations, which in a sense democrats are doing in the same sense that "republicans are trying to bust unions," am I correct?

    The private sector is under constant fire from the left. The public sector get hit one time and they're going haywire. When you look at it from an outside, non-bias persepctive is odd, consdering they employee around 88-90% of worker in this country. Wouldn't you want that overwhelming majority to have the most positive outlook?

    There are approximately 154.4 million employed individuals in the US.[63] Small businesses are the largest employer in the country representing 53% of US workers.[64] The second largest share of employment belongs to large businesses, who employ a total of 38% of the US workforce.[64] A total of 91% of Americans are employed by the private sector. Government accounts for 8% of all US workers. Over 99% of all employing organizations in the US are small businesses.[64] The 30 million small businesses in the USA account for 64% of net new jobs (jobs created minus jobs lost).[64] 70% of jobs created in the last decade were by small business
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    in OHio the Public unionistas have to contribut 11percent of their salary for their pensions and I believe 6 percent for their medical

    in wisconsin, what is it
    I've looked this **** up so many times, I'm tired, Turtle. I believe the major union has agreed to their putting in 5.something% on their pensions and 12% on their medical. I say believe because there's absolutely nothing legal about their spoken words. Walker has said that's not good enough, since there are multiple unions involved and they would yet again find themselves in the position of negotiating these changes.

    Also, please remember that teachers have defined benefit plans....not 401K's like the rest of the world.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I've looked this **** up so many times, I'm tired, Turtle. I believe the major union has agreed to their putting in 5.something% on their pensions and 12% on their medical. I say believe because there's absolutely nothing legal about their spoken words. Walker has said that's not good enough, since there are multiple unions involved and they would yet again find themselves in the position of negotiating these changes.

    Also, please remember that teachers have defined benefit plans....not 401K's like the rest of the world.
    So Maggie, the solution is to all see how can race to the bottom first? I obviously am from a different generation that you, but I was raised and taught that we all help each other climb as high as we can - not kick each other off the ladder so we all crash to the bottom.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So Maggie, the solution is to all see how can race to the bottom first? I obviously am from a different generation that you, but I was raised and taught that we all help each other climb as high as we can - not kick each other off the ladder so we all crash to the bottom.
    Obviously? Huh. Well, I was raised and taught that we all help each other climb as high as we can as well. But there comes a time when you can't let someone step on you on their way up. There is absolutely no question in my mind that we have to rein in public sector pension costs; none; and no guilt associated with that at all -- no matter how hard you try to send some my way.

    So. When is the public sector going to help the rest of us working stiffs climb our ladders? When will you make any acknowledgement at all of the truth -- that the public sector is getting very generous pensions so far above the private sector as to be a significant burden on the parents of the kids they teach?

    I already know the answer to that from you, Haymarket. As a public pension recipient, as a former union steward (or whatever you called yourself), as a current potential double dipper with your state legislature, that answer would be: never. You wouldn't acknowledge the truth on this issue if it smacked you upside the head.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Maggie - please do not call me Stewart.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Pulitzer Prize winning tax reporter, David Cay Johnston, has written a brilliant piece for tax.com exposing the truth about who really pays for the pension and benefits for public employees in Wisconsin.

    Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

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    Which is more pathetic- the lie of the story or the zombie audience the lying author writes for?

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Pulitzer Prize winning tax reporter, David Cay Johnston, has written a brilliant piece for tax.com exposing the truth about who really pays for the pension and benefits for public employees in Wisconsin.

    Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

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    I don't dispute anything that is written in the Tax.com piece. While the author may be 'technically' correct he is not shooting straight when it comes to who contributes.

    The author states that the employee contributes 100% of his retirement, while true, nothing comes out of the teachers paychecks to fund their own retirement! (I think the author left this out on purpose) Listen the teacher's union negotiated a sweetheart deal; the state would fund the 100% of the teachers retirement benefits in the form of DEFERRED COMPENSATION! Key words being deferred compensation. Since the teachers believe this 'deferred compensation' to be part of their salary--fine, i'll bite. However, maybe the author would like to write a second article regarding the average Wisconsin teacher salary being approximately $100,000 per year (including deferred compensation of course).

    Somehow, I don't think $100,000 a year salaries for teachers would sit very well with the Wisconsin voter--do you?

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Let the parroting begin....



    ........after that 100 cents is stolen from the taxpayers.
    When you make statements without proof or links to evidence, you come off kind of trollish.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Wisconsin public employees currently are only paying 6% toward their healthcare premiums. Governor Walkers proposal is implementing that they pay 12%, which is STILL nearly half the national average. To being with they're over compensated at it is, and average Wisconsin school teachers full compensation is $78,000 for a 180 day school year, which averages out to $433 dollars a day.
    Why is that overcompensation?

    These people need to realize that public unions have guaranteed them money that they simply do not have, and that although they are paid for by the government, they are also intact to cuts in the budget. A major contribution to state debts nation wide is public pensions, you would not believe the percentage in Illinois, somewhere around 30-35%
    Well, they've have the money if they stop giving tax breaks to corporations. -- Yes, the part of the story Foxies don't get.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Well, they've have the money if they stop giving tax breaks to corporations. -- Yes, the part of the story Foxies don't get.
    What country do you live in? You do realize that America does have the highest corporate tax rates in the WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So if someone wants to give a tax break to our employers err corporations than so the hell what? If this 'tax break' costs the teachers in Wisconsin a reduction from $100,000 to $78,000 to $50,000 (including deferred compensation) then I am all for it and the private sector jobs that follow. You go on ahead and remain simplistic in your view on how the real world works, while I and those you think like me, are busy creating jobs and making money.

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