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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Wake up and smell the corruption.
    we did

    tuesday

    GAO report identifies billions of dollars in government waste | syracuse.com

    no less than the g-a-o told us, you wanna argue with THEM?

    a full HALF TRILLION DOLLARS

    no abstraction, that---a HALF TRILLION DOLLARS

    we're dying of debt---housing is fractured, the fed has invested TWO POINT SEVEN TRILLION in pure junk---UNDIVERSIFIED

    bowles simpson recommends drastic hits to social security and the president punts, his bogus and doa budget proposes brazenly to RAISE our record deficit a full THIRTY PERCENT over awful '11, his outyear projections are absurd with forever-near-zero interest rates, no less than the nyt reports that service on the debt---MERE INTEREST ALONE---will soon approach ONE TRILLION DOLLARS per year

    fannie and fred could cost another HALF TRIL

    MEDICAID is already NOW at the STATE level a CRISIS

    our president---today---on all things economic---is beyond irrelevant, he's not even trying

    when's the last time you heard him trumpeting his new win-the-future, his innovation and competitiveness

    and how boldly was he braying it

    this guy is DONE

    he needs a RADICAL political sea change to begin to MATTER even a little

    he has been the most woebegone leader mature americans can remember

    his union support, by the way, politically speaking, structurally speaking, is about to take a CRIPPLE

    membership, dues, affection...

    ie, clout

    that's not spin, solons

    it's observation, it's what's really going on---and to a violent degree---outside the debate-filled cloister of your endless but closed thoughts

    housing, property taxes, the TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS owed by only our PUBLIC unions at the STATE level only

    public pensions alone, as none can deny, are unsustainable

    deal with it

    or not

    either way, stay up

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    what's going on in the eu?

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Pulitzer Prize winning tax reporter, David Cay Johnston, has written a brilliant piece for tax.com exposing the truth about who really pays for the pension and benefits for public employees in Wisconsin.

    Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

    Via tax.com

    How can this be possible?

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    So PROPERTY taxes are NOT real!?!??

    This is utter CRAP.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Here is why. The Governor of our state just delivered his budget message and he is cuting back revenue sharing funds by over $300 milion dollars. One big reason: the revenue sharing monies and other federal programs to his state have been cut in Washington. If Washington has more money, states get more money in revenue sharing... then cities and towns get more money.

    One big reason the feds have less is major corporations not paying the actual rates that apply to them.
    And of course that lost of revenue, at the federal level has nothing to do with unemployment numbers, or with profits being down in many of the companies these last two years ? Nor is any of the state income lose due to the housing crash, and loss of jobs?

    Also consider this, how much did your state get from the stimulus bill last year? All that did was to defer lasts years shortfall to this year. With our federal government 15 trillion dollars in debt, I don't think we should even consider giving even more to the states if or when we pull out of this, the feds need to work on paying down our debt, NOT seeing how they can spend more money.

    Now onto your corporate tax, you have a valid point, most corporations don't pay anything near the going rate of 35% that the US imposes. Those loopholes as you like to call them ( they are perfectly legal deductions tho) are there to compensate for us having the highest corporate tax rate in the world. ( China is in the process of reducing theirs to 15%) With out those loop holes, we would stand even less of a chance of attracting business to the US.

    Now in a way I agree with you, I don't like those loop holes, and if there was a proposal to close them all, and reduce our rates to say 15% I would be all for that.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    More new polls out showing voters don't support Walker's attempt to end collective bargaining for public servants, including one by the conservative Rasmussen Reports:

    "A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Wisconsin voters shows that just 39% favor weakening collective bargaining rights and 52% are opposed."

    Wisconsin Poll: Support for Budget Cutting, Not for Weakening Collective Bargaining Rights - Rasmussen Reports™
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    You don't see corporations crying on the news when they receive increased coroprate taxes do you?


    Indeed they have, to what I've read the teacher seem to agree to everything proposed except Governor Walker's stand on collective bargaining. Teachers will accept the 12% increase, but would just end up bargaining for the difference to make it up, which is probably why they don't like the new proposed ban on collective bargaining.
    No, because they have their paid lobbyists in congress to do their crying for them. And, besides, there are so many loopholes in the tax law that many corporations don't pay a cent anyways.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    You state that this Republican Governor is after all the unions just to "bust them" because he is incorporating them into the budget cuts, which in this day is particularly rare for the public sector. It's constantly happening in the private sector, you know the I just tax the rich and corporations more, but when corporations and rich do see tax hikes, which makes profits fall, you don't see them protesting and making headline news now do you? The corporate tax was just raised in Illinois to help cut the deficit, and they didn't throw a fit did they, and you don't see any in here say that democrats are trying to "bust" corporations, which in a sense democrats are doing in the same sense that "republicans are trying to bust unions," am I correct?
    I believe the "busting" refers to Walker's determination to elimate some of the collective bargaining rights. If any state government is interfering with private businesses' rights to negotiate with suppliers and the likes, let us know and we'll agree with you. In the meantime, raising tax is not even close to the same thing as the employees already agreed to Walker's fiscal position.

    FYI, I remember businesses making noise for the government to interfer when they can't compete with the Chinese, so don't say that the private sector doesn't "whine and cry"
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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    EXACTLY MY POINT!!!! Corporate tax contributions will continue to decrease until such time as corporate tax rates start to fall. In an over-taxed society multi-national corporations will continue to shelter income until such time as TAX RATES ARE REDUCED TO MORE COMPETITIVE LEVELS WITH OTHER COUNTRIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is just more advantageous to pay foreign taxes than taxes in the United States.

    Until liberals like yourself understand this basic lesson in human behavior (corporations are run by humans) you will fail achieve the tax revenues you crave.

    Should Obama be successful in closing these so call 'tax loopholes', (they are not tax loopholes but that is what he calls them) then two things will happen. 1) corporations will pass the tax on to the consumer, weakening the middle class even further 2) they will continue to go offshore in their hiring. Either way the middle class will suffer and guys like you will continue to spew forth your 'tax the rich' filth.

    BTW: If you want to stop the US economy from turning into a 'third world country' the only savior is to tax corporations AND INDIVIDUALS less, not more
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    Third world - like poor road and sanitation system, limited water distribution and electricity system, ineffectual health and food safety inspection at work places or resturants - because the governments cannot provide adequately for all these services? Not to mention corrupt police and judicial system because most third world average state wages is not adequate to support the households?

    And how do you explain the fact that Demark has one highest income tax rate in the world and yet enjoy one of the highest quality of life in the world?
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergolfpar View Post
    If you privatized roads, streets, police, fire and everything else not only would things run a hell of a lot cheaper, but the roads would be smoother, the streets cleaner, the police would catch more criminals, and the fire department would take less time to respond to an emergency.
    That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read here. I've personally seen first hand people whose house is burning having to negotiate with fire fighters. Not a good bargaining position. And ambulances fighting over people in car accidents to take to their hopsitals. You would think it's good for the crash victims but the hospitals are almost always dodgy. You should visit those third world countries you talked about and actually live there for a year or two to enjoy all these wonderful privately runned services.


    While I can't intellectually give you an answer to your question, I can respond with another question you can't answer...name me one governmental agency that does not use the services of some privately held company? Name just one...you can't do it either.
    Your point is what? That the government don't have to pay those private companies as you want the private companies to not pay the government for the services they enjoy?
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Emplo

    I do have another observation here. We should not be pinning this all on the teachers, when it was the banksters that got us into this mess. Several more banks have closed their doors temporarily this year. They are now back open, after getting more bailout money from the government. I don't hear anybody saying that we should lower the salaries of the banksters. After all, if they are taking government money, then they are no longer operating according to the principle of free markets, and deserve to take less. But there is, of course, the Bankster Union, which is the cozy club of wealthy people who plunder this nation, while the teachers are forced to pay the consequences for their actions.

    One more observation - Give the teachers too many pay cuts, then ditch digging will look like a better career, and Wisconsin will end up with the kind of literacy rate that you see in Mississippi, because most of the teachers will be digging ditches instead of teaching.
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