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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    yes, and they have always been people, richa nd poor, talent and not so much, good looking and ugy, smart and not so smart who do very questionable things. But we can't leap to conclusions as to why. Many people work hard every single day. In fact, I'd say the overwhelming majority.

    We can even find stories of amazing people doing amazing things, extremely amazing. This two has always been the case. But both extremes are the minority and always have been.
    So what's the excuse for a group of people rejecting 70% of the job offers that come their way? They're poor, so they need the money, so why not take the job?

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

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    So what's the excuse for a group of people rejecting 70% of the job offers that come their way? They're poor, so they need the money, so why not take the job?
    I have no idea, but I don't assume I kow either. I know very little about the population being studied. Nor do I know their circumstances or what influenced their decisions, or what obsticles they face. We can be vague and general, but that would likely miss something important. All you have now is a number with no insight as to what that number means.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have no idea, but I don't assume I kow either. I know very little about the population being studied. Nor do I know their circumstances or what influenced their decisions, or what obsticles they face. We can be vague and general, but that would likely miss something important. All you have now is a number with no insight as to what that number means.
    Give me any alternative explanation, I'd like to hear it.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Give me any alternative explanation, I'd like to hear it.
    I gave you two, but I point out again, the fact is we don't know. And that would be true even if I gave you none.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I gave you two, but I point out again, the fact is we don't know. And that would be true even if I gave you none.
    One of those reasons was again related to work ethic (drugs) and the other didn't make sense (they wouldn't get the offers if they were educationally qualified).

    I'm just looking for any other reason that could possibly be unrelated to work ethic, or else I'm forced to conclude that it is work ethic.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    One of those reasons was again related to work ethic (drugs) and the other didn't make sense (they wouldn't get the offers if they were educationally qualified).

    I'm just looking for any other reason that could possibly be unrelated to work ethic, or else I'm forced to conclude that it is work ethic.
    No, drugs is separate. Drugs can take on a life of it's onw with the adict. And people take a job they really can't handle all the time. But I would need more information to give you more, and you should want more as well.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, drugs is separate. Drugs can take on a life of it's onw with the adict.
    But that's not really an economic problem. It's a problem that the drug-user himself created.

    And people take a job they really can't handle all the time. But I would need more information to give you more, and you should want more as well.
    It seems pretty clear to me. I just want any other possibility because work ethic is the only one I can think of.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But that's not really an economic problem. It's a problem that the drug-user himself created.
    Certainly self created, and one many a young person has created for his or her self. But it could be a reason all the same.

    It seems pretty clear to me. I just want any other possibility because work ethic is the only one I can think of.
    Well, the limits of either of our knowledge or imagination doesn't mean another reason isn't there. I used to work with young people who were bright and reasonablyhard working. But they made more money selling drugs than could be made working an honest job. they had sense of honor, not mind, but a strange sense of honor, and they were not lazy. But they often took a job outside of their illegal trade, but never kept them long. One intruded on the other.

    Now I have no idea what the people studied did, but that's my point. You don't either.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And nothing provided has even asked.
    yes, and they have always been people, rich and poor, talent and not so much, good looking and ugy, smart and not so smart who do very questionable things.
    This two has always been the case.
    Nor do I know their circumstances or what influenced their decisions, or what obsticles they face.
    No, drugs is separate.
    Drugs can take on a life of it's onw with the adict.
    But they often took a job outside of their illegal trade, but never kept them long.
    college dept chair, huh?

    sure, boo, sure

    LOL!

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Show me census data that follow individuals.
    "Table 708. Individuals and families below poverty level 2008: Individuals 30,108,000 Families - 7,252,000."

    http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/11s0708.pdf

    "Census Bureau's poverty thresholds for 2009: One person - $10,956."

    What are Poverty Thresholds and Poverty Guidelines?


    But $22,000 is a lot better than it sounds when you include all of the benefits that they're getting.
    Oh yeah, a family of four on $22,000 in todays economy are just rolling in dough. Are you serious?



    Proof using data that follow individuals?
    Look at the same Census data I linked to at the top of my post.



    Poor by an arbitrary definition! And a greater income disparity is a good thing. Should they lazy see rising income? No. Should the highest possible income grow with time? Absolutely yes! So I'm not worried about it. Most incomes are growing if you look at real data.
    Total BS!


    Proof that charity could not fill the void?
    The proof is that they can't now, and you suggest to throw more of your responsibility onto to them. Why should they take up the slack for you in the first place?
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