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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Why did we let the Republicans back in again?
    It was essentially a racist backlash against Obama. There is a huge segment of our society that hates Muslims and Latinos and just about anything non-white; that's why they need all those guns, you know. To protect themselves from brown people.

    And they **** themselves when a man who embodied the foreignness they find so frightening was elected president.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It was essentially a racist backlash against Obama. There is a huge segment of our society that hates Muslims and Latinos and just about anything non-white; that's why they need all those guns, you know. To protect themselves from brown people.

    And they **** themselves when a man who embodied the foreignness they find so frightening was elected president.
    the hits just keep on coming

    screaming racism because some of us don't like your master sham wow



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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the super rich have the same interests you do--they want to keep lots of americans miired in the manure of welfare socialism
    So naturally you support the party representing the super rich, shoving more of the middle class under the poverty line so more welfare is needed and they have less money to be a consumer. You really haven't thought this through, have you?
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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more mindless mutterings from Guy Just what would you do to make the unproductive and uncompetitive more valuable to the marketplace?

    You could start by increased priority for education for all in this country and exchanging a living wage for full time work.
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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the hits just keep on coming

    screaming racism because some of us don't like your master sham wow
    Case closed, self evident right wing neo-slur.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    gao, govt accountability office, congressional audit of authority, yesterday, march 1: a full HALF TRILLION dollars of WASTE and DUPLICATION of bureaucratic arrogance, largesse, incompetence, corruption...

    All told, the GAO targeted as much as $510 billion on 583 potentially duplicative, wasteful programs overseen by roughly 182 government agencies and offices, stretching across the federal government, from the Department of Defense to Transportation to Health & Human Services. The GAO found that some of the duplication dates back to 2002, but most came in fiscal years 2009 to 2010 and going forward.

    The GAO found as much as $200 billion in duplicative spending going out the door over the next decade on 2,100 data centers alone. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) requested the report, and has said “it makes us all look like jackasses.”

    The GAO’s list dovetails with work already done on this waste by the Congressional Budget Office (see below).

    For instance, the U.S. has 15 different agencies overseeing food-safety laws, 25 separate programs on health information systems, and 80 programs for economic development. The GAO says there are potentially 35 duplicative programs on infrastructure. And it questions the $58 billion spent annually on 100 surface transportation projects. Health and transportation programs matter greatly here, since the fear is health reform may add to this duplication, and the White House has spent hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars on stimulus funds for transportation projects to create jobs.

    The sought after cap and trade system which would set up a carbon credit marketplace to cut global warming would cost up to $200 billion a year, the US Treasury says, or $1,800 per American household.

    The GAO says just five of 47 job training and employment programs had been evaluated for efficiencies. “Little is known about the effectiveness of most programs,” the GAO said in its report. The government also spent $62.5 billion on 18 food assistance programs, but “little is known about the effectiveness of [11 of the 18 programs] because they have not been well studied,” the GAO said.
    that's g-a-o, gentlepeople

    a HALF A TRILLION---pfft

    reported YESTERDAY, march 1

    and you want to give these grafters MORE?

    no wonder you got so hellaciously shellacked on tsunami tuesday

    Gov't Watchdog IDs Billions In Federal Waste - Politics News Story - WSMV Nashville

    GAO Finds Massive Waste, Duplication - FoxBusiness.com

    and don't forget what we're facing, folks---a housing market which popped and brought us here and is still no basement in sight, the states are facing TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION of unfunded public pensions, the states are straining with another QUARTER TRIL via medicaid's expansion, unfunded liabilities in medicare and social security approach the combined gdp of the entire planet, service on the debt---mere INTEREST ALONE---will approach a full ONE TRILLION DOLLARS a year by just after mid decade (according to the nyt), fannie and fred could cost another HALF T...

    debate, anyone?

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    gao, govt accountability office, congressional audit of authority, yesterday, march 1: a full HALF TRILLION dollars of WASTE and DUPLICATION of bureaucratic arrogance, largesse, incompetence, corruption...



    that's g-a-o, gentlepeople

    a HALF A TRILLION---pfft

    reported YESTERDAY, march 1

    and you want to give these grafters MORE?

    no wonder you got so hellaciously shellacked on tsunami tuesday

    Gov't Watchdog IDs Billions In Federal Waste - Politics News Story - WSMV Nashville

    GAO Finds Massive Waste, Duplication - FoxBusiness.com

    and don't forget what we're facing, folks---a housing market which popped and brought us here and is still no basement in sight, the states are facing TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION of unfunded public pensions, the states are straining with another QUARTER TRIL via medicaid's expansion, unfunded liabilities in medicare and social security approach the combined gdp of the entire planet, service on the debt---mere INTEREST ALONE---will approach a full ONE TRILLION DOLLARS a year by just after mid decade (according to the nyt), fannie and fred could cost another HALF T...

    debate, anyone?
    I have seen no one argue here for not cutting government waste from ALL of its departments and programs, including the military, as your article goes on to say:

    "Also at the Pentagon, the Army and the Marine Corps have developed separate "mine rollers" with the Marine Corps version costing $85,000 a unit while the Army's units cost $77,000 to $225,000, but there's disagreement over which version works better.
    Some of the biggest savings could be achieved by consolidating the government's computer data centers, which have multiplied from 432 to more than 2,100 in little more than a decade. Some computer servers have utilization rates of just 5 percent. A private sector study estimates that consolidating data centers could save the government as much as $200 billion over 10 years.

    It's unclear how many of the report's recommendations will be put in place. Lawmakers and committees often defend programs within their jurisdictional fiefdoms, as do federal agencies. Disagreement typically produces gridlock, but the pressure to cut spending will test the ability of lawmakers and agencies to defend wasteful practices."


    You get no argument from me that we need to cut wasteful spending everywhere. But this does nothing to address the widening gap between the rich and the poor. That has more to do with education and exchanging a living wage to full time workers so we stop shoving more and more of the middle class below the poverty line, thereby increasing the welfare rolls and to go back to the progressive tax system that properly taxed the top 1% of the country.
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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So naturally you support the party representing the super rich, shoving more of the middle class under the poverty line so more welfare is needed and they have less money to be a consumer. You really haven't thought this through, have you?
    The 'super rich" are not moving the middle class anywhere near the poverty line. That suggests you believe that wealth is finite and cannot be created, and that's not altogether surprising.

    It is the American people having to give almost half their money to the government each year that is creating poverty. Naturally, as a result, many will have their incomes lowered.

    Now, inexplicably, the economically illiterate want more personal income sent to Washington without having any idea how the money will be spent or whether it will do any good.

    This hopelessly inadequate knowledge of basic economic is inexcusable and further evidence of how the teachers unions have been turning out a poor product over the years. Now the entire country must pay for the folly of this disastrous educational system.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The 'super rich" are not moving the middle class anywhere near the poverty line. That suggests you believe that wealth is finite and cannot be created, and that's not altogether surprising.

    It is the American people having to give almost half their money to the government each year that is creating poverty. Naturally, as a result, many will have their incomes lowered.

    Now, inexplicably, the economically illiterate want more personal income sent to Washington without having any idea how the money will be spent or whether it will do any good.

    This hopelessly inadequate knowledge of basic economic is inexcusable and further evidence of how the teachers unions have been turning out a poor product over the years. Now the entire country must pay for the folly of this disastrous educational system.

    If what you say were true than we would all be suffering equally. But that is not the case. Those at the very top are still increasing wealth while more of the middle class slips into poverty. Do you realize that one in seven Americans are now officially poor?

    "In census figures due out this week, the poverty rate is expected to jump from 13.2 percent in 2008 to almost 15 percent in 2009. That means one in seven Americans is now officially poor/"
    More American Families Slip into Poverty - CBS Evening News - CBS News
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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    remind me how much money Goldman sux gave Obama in 2008?
    That's the best you got? A rather feeble attempt to discredit Goldman Sachs as some type of liberal think tank. Sorry, but GS has a very high (dare I say personal interest as everyone at Goldman Sachs is paid substantially on success) vested interest in a strong economy. When it comes to economic impact, their only loyalty is going to be their pockets.

    It must be fun to live in the republican fantasy world where you discredit everything you don't believe in as created by liberal main stream media, the liberal CBO, the liberal investment banking community.... perhaps the truth just has a left-wing bias.

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