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Rich-Poor gap widening

Ikari said:
This is true, the mixing of corporatism and the government has effectively begun to shut down true free market capitalism.
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Begun? We've not been close to a free market economy for decades if not at least a century or more.
 
Ikari said:
This is true, the mixing of corporatism and the government has effectively begun to shut down true free market capitalism. Through improper regulations, special treatment, subsidies, bail outs, and give always the government has worked quite effectively with the established corporate base to shut down proper competition and consequence from the market. The goal, of course, is to remove economic mobility. Mobility does not just mean poor people can get rich, but it also means that rich people can become poor through bad choices and business decisions. If you can close down mobility, the rich do not become poor. Additionally, to establish a proper aristocracy, you need to eliminate the middle class.
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You give a different list than he does, and I might agree a couple of those are problems, like the bailouts. And I agree entirely that we need the middle class.
 
apdst said:
The way that Obama supported workers, by killing their jobs? I would rather not have that kind of support.



Ask more of business, in terms of what?
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Not being bailed out. Paying their fair share. The wealthy as well. And you really should look at all our leaders, past and present, and not just Obama.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not being bailed out. Paying their fair share. The wealthy as well. And you really should look at all our leaders, past and present, and not just Obama.
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How do you define fair?
 
phattonez said:
How do you define fair?
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I suspect there is room for negotiation on that, but I've seen taxes reduced to next to zero and them leave the country anyway. At some level, I would like them to see themselves as part of this community, seeking not only to do well, but to do good for those here.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not being bailed out. Paying their fair share. The wealthy as well. And you really should look at all our leaders, past and present, and not just Obama.
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Businesses aren't paying enough taxes? Maybe if the government would stop killing the work, we could pay more in tax revenues.
 
Boo Radley said:
I suspect there is room for negotiation on that, but I've seen taxes reduced to next to zero and them leave the country anyway. At some level, I would like them to see themselves as part of this community, seeking not only to do well, but to do good for those here.
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Companies could not exist unless they were doing good for somebody. That's what keeps them in business. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to sell their products.
 
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How is this not enough?
 
Boo Radley said:
I suspect there is room for negotiation on that, but I've seen taxes reduced to next to zero and them leave the country anyway.
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What Liberal op-ed did you read that crap in?

At some level, I would like them to see themselves as part of this community, seeking not only to do well, but to do good for those here.
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I was doing great, before the moratorium. I had 6 employees and 15 pieces of equipment on the road, paying more than ten thousand dollars a year in taxes, fees and permits.

Now, I have two trucks, four trailers and two drivers.

But, again, that's before the government came in to, "make things better".
 
Boo Radley said:
You give a different list than he does, and I might agree a couple of those are problems, like the bailouts. And I agree entirely that we need the middle class.
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A strong, healthy, educated middle class is essential to the continued success of the Republic.
 
apdst said:
What Liberal op-ed did you read that crap in?



I was doing great, before the moratorium. I had 6 employees and 15 pieces of equipment on the road, paying more than ten thousand dollars a year in taxes, fees and permits.

Now, I have two trucks, four trailers and two drivers.

But, again, that's before the government came in to, "make things better".
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Saw a governor on Television discuss it some years ago.

Expand more on the rest so i get understand why you put it here.
 
apdst said:
But, again, that's before the government came in to, "make things better".
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Your problem is that you are a responsible, productive, small business. We don't take kindly to that anymore. You need to be part of the protected class, a large corporation. Then you get lots of money, beneficial laws, help from the government to drive off competition, etc.
 
Boo Radley said:
Saw a governor on Television discuss it some years ago.

Expand more on the rest so i get understand why you put it here.
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I own an oilfield transportation business. When The Messiah imposed his drilling ban, for the good of the country, I had to send four men looking for a job.
 
phattonez said:
Companies could not exist unless they were doing good for somebody. That's what keeps them in business. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to sell their products.
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Not entirely. And not always here. Sure, a person making 75 cents an hour might be doiing better in that country. But it doesn't help someone here. And we've seen the land destroyed by some business over the years, and we needed laws to move some toward repairing the damage. Just selling a needed product isn't equal to doing good. You can make a profit and not neccessarily do good.
 
apdst said:
I own an oilfield transportation business. When The Messiah imposed his drilling ban, for the good of the country, I had to send four men looking for a job.
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What effect to you think the spilled oil had on business?
 
Boo Radley said:
Not entirely. And not always here. Sure, a person making 75 cents an hour might be doiing better in that country. But it doesn't help someone here.
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75 cents an hour is better than nothing. Besides, most Americans are way more qualified than that.

And we've seen the land destroyed by some business over the years, and we needed laws to move some toward repairing the damage.
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Environmental damage should be paid. I don't support the free pass that comapnies get to pollute.

Just selling a needed product isn't equal to doing good. You can make a profit and not neccessarily do good.
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It is in a free market, not a corporatist economy.
 
disneydude said:
Ever since Reagan drastically cut taxes for the wealthiest of Americans, the rich have been getting richer at an astronomical pace. Check out this interesting article that documents the growing disparity between the top1% of the population and the remaining 99%....

Separate but unequal: Charts show growing rich-poor gap - Yahoo! News
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Good....let us hope the income gap continues to grow.....

.......otherwise the economic pie would never grow.......

If you want everyone as close to $0.00 as possible.....keep voting Democrat......
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phattonez said:
75 cents an hour is better than nothing. Besides, most Americans are way more qualified than that.
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Don't know anyone here who could survive on that, and not sure it would be much better than nothing, . . . here.

Environmental damage should be paid. I don't support the free pass that comapnies get to pollute.
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We agree on that.

It is in a free market, not a corporatist economy.
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it's neither, entirely. The market hasn't been completely free since, well, since nearly the begining.
 
Boo Radley said:
Don't know anyone here who could survive on that, and not sure it would be much better than nothing, . . . here.
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With charity they would. We didn't have a mass of starving people in the 1800s, yet there were no wage controls.

it's neither, entirely. The market hasn't been completely free since, well, since nearly the begining.
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But it was much more free about 150 years ago.
 
All the liberal willfull ignorance on display in this thread is appaling....

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.....would you rather have the high income gap of the United States.......or the low income gap of Somalia?
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Ikari said:
Your problem is that you are a responsible, productive, small business. We don't take kindly to that anymore. You need to be part of the protected class, a large corporation. Then you get lots of money, beneficial laws, help from the government to drive off competition, etc.
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My problem is too much government interferrance in the private sector.
 
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