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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Still repeating that same LIE that there are such things as death taxes. Even after you yourself admitted that they were Estate Taxes and used your own state of Ohio as evidence.

    But maybe you have found some Death Taxes in the law in the last week? We eagerly await the verifiable and objective evidence of that discovery.

    In the absence of it, its just another right wing term designed to pervert the true meaning of another term for ideological purposes.
    your silly rantings about the death tax are just pathetic

    You love confiscatory taxes on the wealthy and you wet your panties when people call them death taxes because that tells the truth about that abomination that the envious parasites and the ne'er do wells love to slake their hurt over not having prosperous parents

    it is a death tax and it kicks in when you DIE. and its an unfair and loathsome cancer that survives only because there are far more many people like you than there are those punished by such a scheme



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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    The IRS called the Ohio taxes DEATH Taxes so your claims about my 'admissions' like most of your comments about me is a LIE



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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    At Obama's side, Clinton backs tax deal - Politics - White House - msnbc.com

    everyone's on the conservative side of this, the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell tax cuts for the rich

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    Far from everyone is on board with this idea. I seem to remember that many democrats were very opposed to the tax deal. In fact, the msnbc article quotes Clinton as saying "I personally believe this is a good deal and the best he could have gotten under the circumstances." That's because the deal was a compromise.

    Is it really so hard to believe that if the democrats had retained control of the house in 2010, the Bush tax cuts would have ended? The president did the politically expedient thing and pushed it off till 2012, where he will make the case that the deficit cannot be cured by spending cuts alone, but also requires higher taxes.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    making business costs too high is what causes that
    ... and how does that happen? I am a small business owner in a regulated business. I don't feel the "man" is holding me down (though I am one of the few people that would really benefit from higher interest rates)

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    making business costs too high is what causes that
    This would be a good argument if companies didn't have higher and higher profits as their main interest and purpose. Hell - they share board members with competing companies to make sure they keep their oligopoly market leveled out.

    The drive for going overseas = maintaining a higher profit margin and higher personal cut.
    The drive for increasing the cost of products collectively = to maintian a higher profit margin and a higher personal cut.

    On and on. blah blah blah.

    The business of business is business.

    And you can't come back at this like I'm making it up - it's Smith economics, that IS 'capitalism' - self indulgent greed for profit and in the process people's needs and wants (product wise) will be met and employment will be seen (where they choose to root and employ).

    But - there is such a thing as detrimental.
    Unsustainable.
    And Obese with the lard of self indulgence.

    The auto-industry is a fine example of this: their only solution to their continually failing practices is to encourage people to buy more cars that they don't need. And when people start to wisely spend and manage their money - these over inflated companies crumble.

    How can a billion-dollar profit company fail to the point of 'needing' government handouts is beyond me - Obviously there's no one at the wheel who knows how to maange money. They might as well be homeless with a winning lottery ticket and no money management skills.
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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    what is the purpose of a corporation

    to give YOU a job

    or to make the owners money

    reality conflicts with leftwingers utopian unreality

    and if you lefties want jobs you best chill on doing stuff that causes corporations to leave our shores

    pluck the golden goose and it flies away

    no gold egg to fund your government entitlements



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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is the purpose of a corporation

    to give YOU a job

    or to make the owners money

    reality conflicts with leftwingers utopian unreality

    and if you lefties want jobs you best chill on doing stuff that causes corporations to leave our shores

    pluck the golden goose and it flies away

    no gold egg to fund your government entitlements

    I feel that you should have put " to make money" on the top of your list. Not to give you a job.

    I am as left as it gets and am pissed that our jobs have left our shores. I always have been and always will be. So how about you take that paintbrush and stop painting such broad strokes? I am sure you can do it.
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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not sure my claim is the affirmative claim. I think those who say we no longer have a work ethic would have to present the evidence. I think that is how it works.

    However, here's how one young person responded to the claim:

    Debunking The Millennials' Work Ethic "Problem"

    Debunking The Millennials' Work Ethic "Problem" - Erica Williams - The Conversation - Harvard Business Review

    But I would argue the past always looks better than it was, and people have alwys criticised the present. This is not new. But it is much harder to prove than it is to jump on that bandwagon. Our business in this country goes on everyday, just as it always has. Most people work, and hold jobs. Some work more than one job. For every story you can tell me of someone being lazy, I can give you two of someone beating odds, workingn hard and overachieving. It's just, as it has always been, more popular to see the class half empty of not completely dry.
    I read it. There's nothing substantial, only conjecture. Try again to find some real data.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I feel that you should have put " to make money" on the top of your list. Not to give you a job.

    I am as left as it gets and am pissed that our jobs have left our shores. I always have been and always will be. So how about you take that paintbrush and stop painting such broad strokes? I am sure you can do it.
    if you don't have silly utopian unreality then my comments didn't apply to you



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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    At one time a man with a regular job could work and support a family because his taxes were low. In the late 1940's only about 10% of his income was sent to the government. Today it is almost impossible for a regular working man to support a family because he has to work almost half the year for the government and the remainder for his family.

    It naturally follows that because of the high cost of government the working class is going to suffer, and their incomes shrink.

    Instead of making "the rich" pay more taxes people should encourage less government spending. That would put more money in the pockets of the people and the middle class will be more able to recover. But with government spending trillions of dollars each year someone is going to have to pay, and its the rich who have the tax lawyers, not the working class.

    The simple fact of the matter is that government has become far too expensive, and people just can't afford it, rich and poor. What happens when the rich are no longer there to foot the bills?

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