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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What do you think TARP was all about? And that wasn't the first OR LAST go around for Corporate welfare handouts, either.

    Look at Chrysler - They were handed one hell of a pretty penny - and for what? Only to fail again. . . and again.
    TARP--PORKULUS--UAW BAILOUT.........passed by liberals.....opposed by conservatives.

    solutions: Doing what works well in other countries - and taking from the very rich and just giving it to the very poor does nothing. This needs to be done through programs that have been tried and proven to work - improving education, contraception availability, transportation and job-connections, etc.

    Our systm currently does work (the welfare portion) for many - it acts as a net for when people lose their job for vairous reasons (etc) and need temporary help while they get things back together - this is great, it should be continued and possibly expanded in some ways.

    All of these things you oppose.
    Get real.....its not a net.....its a hammock......

    I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer--Franklin
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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    TARP--PORKULUS--UAW BAILOUT.........passed by liberals.....opposed by conservatives.



    Get real.....its not a net.....its a hammock......
    Your sentiment is why the system was reformed in 1993 - which I support.

    Our current system is 2 years at a stretch - no more than 5 years total.
    If someone doesn't take that time to get out of their situation then they're just stuck there - support WILL end - as it does for many.
    However. Some people don't actually WANT to be on assistance. These people qualify and DON'T take assistance - ever. Others get in the system and try to swindle it, sure - of course they do. Not saying some don't love it and abuse the system - but that doesn't mean that most are like that. And what happens to those who don't figure out how to help theirselves? They just stay in their situation and are dropped out of the system.

    I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer--Franklin
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    Being poor IS hard - which is why I support programs that build the necessary skills, education base and ability to get out - and stay out.
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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We were younger. Easier to do.
    What? That's a baseless claim.

    Well, I mentioned two books.

    1874 to1879 -workers not allowed to speak to each other in factories
    Is that just one factory or a government rule? If the former then just leave and find another job, otherwise it is worth it.

    1875 - workers fed up with conditions and pay in factories
    That's subjective.

    1877 - Columbia Bicycles - Founded in 1877 by Col. Albert Pope. Mass production began at the Weed Sewing Machine Company factory on Capitol Avenue. The company is now headquarted in Westfield, Mass.


    1880 - New Haven still has horse trolleys;
    So what? Not everyone owns a plane either and those were invented 100 years ago.

    late 1880's electric trolley in Hartford1880's - people working 14 to 16 hrs a day at average pay of $1.75 a day
    Must be nominal wages. $1.75 was worth a lot more back then.

    1883 - Industry becomes bigger and more mechanized; skilled craftsmen become obsolete
    In other words, goods are becoming cheaper.

    1880s5 September 1882 (United States)
    Thirty thousand workers marched in the first Labor Day parade in New York City.
    1883 (Canada)
    The Trades and Labour Congress of Canada (TLC), a Canada-wide central federation of trade unions was formed.
    1884 (United States)
    The Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions, forerunner of the American Federation of Labor, passed a resolution stating that "8 hours shall constitute a legal day's work from and after May 1, 1886."
    1885 (United States)
    Ten coal-mining activists ("Molly Maguires") were hanged in Pennsylvania.
    March 1886 (United States)
    The Great Southwest Railroad Strike of 1886 was a labor union strike against the Union Pacific and Missouri Pacific railroads involving more than 200,000 workers.
    1 May 1886 (United States)
    Workers protested in the streets to demand the universal adoption of the eight hour day. Hundreds of thousands of American workers had joined the Knights of Labor.
    Unions exist and have existed. It means nothing other than subjetive perception of working conditions.

    By the late 1800s, states and territories had passed over 1,600 laws regulating work conditions and limiting or forbidding child labor. In many cases the laws did not apply to immigrants, thus they were often exploited and wound up living in slums working long hours for little pay.

    Throughout America, local child labor laws were often ignored. On a national level, progress to protect children stalled as the U.S. Supreme Court ruled several times that child labor laws under question were unconstitutional. A subsequent attempt to pass an amendment to the U.S. Constitution failed.
    Because prosperity, not laws, brought an end to child labor.

    In 1904, the National Child Labor Committee was organized by socially concerned citizens and politicians, and was chartered by Congress in 1907. From 1908 to 1912, photographer Hine documented numerous gross violations of laws protecting young children. At many of the locations he visited, youngsters were quickly rushed out of his sight. He was also told youngsters in the mill or factory had just stopped by for a visit or were helping their mothers.

    The History Place - Child Labor in America: About Photographer Lewis Hine
    Children working is better than children starving.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    lol...yes, the rich ARE demanding gov't services through corporate welfare.
    Libterarians want smaller government, including less government in big business, to reduce corporate welfare.

    And regarding "hating the poor", every state woos business and investment to their state for jobs and revenue. They don't try to seek out attracting the poor...why is that? Is it THEM, that hate the poor?

    What about you? Do you want a very low income area built right next to your property (at least before you started living semit-retired sailing!)? Why not?

    According to middle class home owners, low income areas near them tend to:

    1. increases crime and drugs
    2. reduce property value
    3. not attract the retail and restaurants that they enjoy
    4. reduces public school funding/quality

    Is it really the middle class that hates them? Or is your demonizing just not appropriate?

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really? how many? prove it

    and again I see lots of whining about the gap but what are your solutions

    I realize that there will always be a gap and as long as investments are making money the rich willl continue to get richer
    The solution is as always. tax the rich...give more to the poor. Silly man.

    Or people could decide they will have a better life and simply create one for themselves. Yes...I know...that takes years and years of hard work. Shocking.

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The solution is as always. tax the rich...give more to the poor. Silly man.

    Or people could decide they will have a better life and simply create one for themselves. Yes...I know...that takes years and years of hard work. Shocking.
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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It goes beyond that. Decades and decades of tax payer dollars going to corporations. Where's the outrage?
    you mean the government buying stuff from corporations?



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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Corporate WELFARE accounts for MORE 'giving' to these massive corporate and conglomerate chash cows than the government gives through it's various social-programs such as TANF and TEA.
    any proof of that

    and I love what lefties and populists call corporate welfare

    for example

    a city knows that say Toyota plans on building a new plant. so that city promises tax abatements for toyota if they build a factory in that city

    or a city builds an NFL team a stadium to coax that team to stay when other cities are also trying to lure them away

    lefties would call that corporate welfare

    what I call it is quid pro quo-the city wants the business so they bargain to get the jobs, the payroll taxes and all the other stuff a big business can bring.

    what exactly do we get by funding sloth and dependency? more sloth and dependency and more voters who vote away our wealth



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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sounds like an Alvin Lee song
    I was thinking more a British Lions song...

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    Re: Rich-Poor gap widening

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As long as we have a government that constinues to kill middle class jobs, the gap will keep getting wider.
    How is the government killing middle class jobs? Last time I checked the government has not outsourced any jobs to India. Perhaps you mean they have not done enough to protect American jobs, perhaps by not leving steeper taxes on imports to give companies an incentive to manufactuer domestically.... Thats pretty progressive thinking for a conservative, don't you think, Apdst? Maybe you are really a closet liberal?

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