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Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-energy

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We would, if everything was brought on line--wind, solar, bio-fuels, petro-fuels. But, oh no, that'll never happen, because the treehuggers have too big-a-hard on for the oil companies. The green movement is mostly about the environment, but there's a political factor involved, too.

Ok firstly, do you have actual numbers to back that up?
And secondly, how are you railing against investment in green energy while saying we need more wind, solar, and bio fuels? Not that I disagree.
 
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Ok firstly, do you have actual numbers to back that up?
And secondly, how are you railing against investment in green energy while saying we need more wind, solar, and bio fuels? Not that I disagree.

I advocate using green energy, in tandem with fossil fuels and you still want to argue that I'm wrong.

What was that you were saying it not being agenda driven?

I think, at the end of the day, this has more to do with the evil oil companies than anything else.
 
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While I will be the first to say Obama has not done enough in investing in and promoting clean energy, I do give him credit for doing more than any president in history, in just his first 2 years in office.

"I’m proud to say that President Obama has already done more to mitigate climate change and invest in clean energy than any president in U.S. history"
- Secretary of Commerce Secretary Gary Locke

Remarks at American Chamber of Commerce Shanghai and U.S.-China Business Council, Shanghai | Department of Commerce
 
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While I will be the first to say Obama has not done enough in investing in and promoting clean energy, I do give him credit for doing more than any president in history, in just his first 2 years in office.

- Secretary of Commerce Secretary Gary Locke

Remarks at American Chamber of Commerce Shanghai and U.S.-China Business Council, Shanghai | Department of Commerce

It's not the government's job to invest in clean energy.
 
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While I will be the first to say Obama has not done enough in investing in and promoting clean energy, I do give him credit for doing more than any president in history, in just his first 2 years in office.

- Secretary of Commerce Secretary Gary Locke

Remarks at American Chamber of Commerce Shanghai and U.S.-China Business Council, Shanghai | Department of Commerce

Locke said the exact same thing at Copenhagen, Denmark.
Remarks at Opening Ceremony, Bright Green Expo, Copenhagen, Denmark | Department of Commerce
And I'm proud to say that in just under a year in office, President Obama has already done more to mitigate climate change and create positive incentives for clean energy and efficiency than any president in United States history.

He's just blathering talking points, and you're buying it.

And didn't Copenhagen turn out to be a complete bust anyway:rofl:
 
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It's not the government's job to invest in clean energy.

how dare the government develop the internet
or nuclear power
or construct the interstate highways system
or launch communications satellites into space

backwards people seem to want to remain backwards
 
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It's not the government's job to invest in clean energy.

I often wonder if Obama had been a Republican making the same push for clean/alternative/renewable energy if yourself and other pundits would fight so hard against federal funding for such initiatives. I am curious, however, how would you go about making this...partnership...of clean energy work alongside big oil and coal?

Not a trick question...just want to know your thoughts on the matter. You can PM me if you'd like.
 
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I often wonder if Obama had been a Republican making the same push for clean/alternative/renewable energy if yourself and other pundits would fight so hard against federal funding for such initiatives.

I wonder even more, if the Libbos would give him a free passs on all those jobs he killed, in the middle of a depression, if he were a Conservative.


I am curious, however, how would you go about making this...partnership...of clean energy work alongside big oil and coal?

Not a trick question...just want to know your thoughts on the matter. You can PM me if you'd like.

I answered that question, before you asked it. I think that everything, fossil fuels, green energy, bio-fuels and yes, clean coal, should all be brought on line and employed together.
 
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how dare the government develop the internet
or nuclear power
or construct the interstate highways system
or launch communications satellites into space

backwards people seem to want to remain backwards

nice try...
Telstar was the first active, direct relay communications satellite. Belonging to AT&T as part of a multi-national agreement between AT&T, Bell Telephone Laboratories, NASA, the British General Post Office, and the French National PTT (Post Office) to develop satellite communications, it was launched by NASA from Cape Canaveral on July 10, 1962, the first privately sponsored space launch.
 
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nice try...

no try
fact

think there would have been any form of space program to place the satellites into orbit but for government

you folks haven't a clue
 
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no try
fact

think there would have been any form of space program to place the satellites into orbit but for government

you folks haven't a clue

Did you not read multi-national?? you think the Russians would have not sent it up, had NASA not been there? You're utterly clueless.
 
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Is this the green industry that we'er supposed to depend on for jobs?

He should be sinking even more in.
 
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nice try...

Telstar was the first active, direct relay communications satellite. Belonging to AT&T as part of a multi-national agreement between AT&T, Bell Telephone Laboratories, NASA, the British General Post Office, and the French National PTT (Post Office) to develop satellite communications, it was launched by NASA from Cape Canaveral on July 10, 1962, the first privately sponsored space launch.
The government (NASA) developed the technology and these entities paid for the launch which was a very small considering the development costs.
 
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The government (NASA) developed the technology and these entities paid for the launch which was a very small considering the development costs.

NASA did not design or develop the satellite. All they did was launch it and do some tracking. The satellite was built by a team at Bell Telephone Laboratories.

Facts are your friends PB... learn to use them.

Bell Labs - Telstar
Bell Telephone Laboratories designed and built the Telstar spacecraft with AT&T corporate funds. The first Telstars were prototypes that would prove the concepts behind the large constellation system that was being planned. NASA's contribution to the project was to launch the satellites and provide some tracking and telemetry functions, but AT&T bore all the costs of the project reimbursing NASA $6 million.


yet another PWNAGE of PB, courtesy of Whovian.
 
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NASA did not design or develop the satellite. All they did was launch it and do some tracking. The satellite was built by a team at Bell Telephone Laboratories.
No **** sherlock, you're ****ing brilliant. A satellite is useless unless you have a way to get it in space.

yet another PWNAGE of PB, courtesy of Whovian.
Sophomoric garbage, grow up.
 
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No **** sherlock, you're ****ing brilliant. A satellite is useless unless you have a way to get it in space.


Sophomoric garbage, grow up.

My God.. how can you not understand the nonsense you spout?

You specifically said 'the government (NASA) developed the technology'... I just PROVED you wrong... the government did NOT develop the technology behind the Telstar satellite... private enterprise did.

the ONLY thing NASA did was fulfill a contract to launch it. As I pointed out earlier in the thread, had NASA never existed, Russia would have been happy to get the credit for launching the first communications satellite.

You... were... wrong.

Man up. You have been weighed... you have been measured.. and you have been found very VERY wanting.

Complete and utter PWNAGE.
 
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Secretary of Commerce Secretary Gary Locke is not one to blather liberal talking points.

yet there he was... two different speeches... blatherign away. Go figure.
 
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I wonder even more, if the Libbos would give him a free passs on all those jobs he killed, in the middle of a depression, if he were a Conservative.

Stop it...you're just being wrong-headed here. You'd first have to acknolwedge that such jobs ever existed before you can claim that his policies/initiative took them away. Since Republicans have made the claim that the Obama Administration can't accurately count the number of jobs the Stimulus created, how can your side logically make the claim that jobs have bee lost on his policies alone? Answer: YOU CAN'T!

You can theorize, hypthosize, postulate, but you'd first have to know that such jobs exsisted beforehand. We CAN say that jobs were lost under G.W. Bush near the end of his tenure because the evidence is overwhelming there. Labor statistics bore that out. The ONLY true measuring stick that can be applied to the job numbers under President Obama are those same labor statistics since he took office and initiated his policies. And by all accounts, his initiatives have created jobs. Maybe not in the numbers you'd like them to be, but NO ONE can discount the fact that there has been job growth in both the private AND public sectors since he took office. So, let's stop with this BS detracting talking point. It's old and very much UNTRUE and NOT substatiated by facts.

I answered that question, before you asked it. I think that everything, fossil fuels, green energy, bio-fuels and yes, clean coal, should all be brought on line and employed together.

Good. You're coming around. :mrgreen:
 
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yet there he was... two different speeches... blatherign away. Go figure.

Name me any other administration that has done more for alternative energy?
 
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Name me any other administration that has done more for alternative energy?

one alternative energy and the other not ... but the same administration:

Jimmy Carter's

those solar panels, some of which were installed on the roof of the white house (only to be removed and destroyed by reagan when he took over). tell me he wasn't prescient:
"In the year 2000 this solar water heater behind me, which is being dedicated today, will still be here supplying cheap, efficient energy…. A generation from now, this solar heater can either be a curiosity, a museum piece, an example of a road not taken or it can be just a small part of one of the greatest and most exciting adventures ever undertaken by the American people."
Where Did the Carter White House's Solar Panels Go?: Scientific American

during uncle Jimmy's administration, we had special sba loans for businesses engaged in alternative energies and in energy conservation

but when the rules - and the oil prices changed - causing alternative energy/conservation to be more costly (in the short term) than using oil, those businesses floundered. if they had been provided the market incentives to thrive, where would we be today? i guarantee you it would not be our present day circumstance of kissing the asses of saudi royals

i invite - encourage - our members to read his speech advancing a national energy policy. the one which was not heeded
WGBH American Experience . Jimmy Carter . Proposed Energy Policy | PBS

again, tell me he wasn't prescient

Obama blew it, in my never so humble opinion
for the first year, he had a mandate, and the house and senate ... but failed to push thru a national energy independence initiative, giving the nation a huge objective, in such a way as as JFK launched the national space program

HUGE opportunity lost
 
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one alternative energy and the other not ... but the same administration:

Jimmy Carter's

those solar panels, some of which were installed on the roof of the white house (only to be removed and destroyed by reagan when he took over). tell me he wasn't prescient:
Where Did the Carter White House's Solar Panels Go?: Scientific American

during uncle Jimmy's administration, we had special sba loans for businesses engaged in alternative energies and in energy conservation

but when the rules - and the oil prices changed - causing alternative energy/conservation to be more costly (in the short term) than using oil, those businesses floundered. if they had been provided the market incentives to thrive, where would we be today? i guarantee you it would not be our present day circumstance of kissing the asses of saudi royals

i invite - encourage - our members to read his speech advancing a national energy policy. the one which was not heeded
WGBH American Experience . Jimmy Carter . Proposed Energy Policy | PBS

again, tell me he wasn't prescient

Obama blew it, in my never so humble opinion
for the first year, he had a mandate, and the house and senate ... but failed to push thru a national energy independence initiative, giving the nation a huge objective, in such a way as as JFK launched the national space program

HUGE opportunity lost


I concede your point about Carter JB. Even though he may not have provided as much funding for clean energy as Obama has, he had the vision to see the need first and started programs, that if not scrapped by Reagan, would have us energy independent today. Absolutely no argument that was a HUGE opportunity lost! I also do not feel Obama has done near enough, but I acknowledge he has done more than any Republican president before him.
 
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one alternative energy and the other not ... but the same administration:

Jimmy Carter's

those solar panels, some of which were installed on the roof of the white house (only to be removed and destroyed by reagan when he took over). tell me he wasn't prescient:
Where Did the Carter White House's Solar Panels Go?: Scientific American

during uncle Jimmy's administration, we had special sba loans for businesses engaged in alternative energies and in energy conservation

but when the rules - and the oil prices changed - causing alternative energy/conservation to be more costly (in the short term) than using oil, those businesses floundered. if they had been provided the market incentives to thrive, where would we be today? i guarantee you it would not be our present day circumstance of kissing the asses of saudi royals

i invite - encourage - our members to read his speech advancing a national energy policy. the one which was not heeded
WGBH American Experience . Jimmy Carter . Proposed Energy Policy | PBS

again, tell me he wasn't prescient

Obama blew it, in my never so humble opinion
for the first year, he had a mandate, and the house and senate ... but failed to push thru a national energy independence initiative, giving the nation a huge objective, in such a way as as JFK launched the national space program

HUGE opportunity lost

IOW, the government should have created an artificial market so that those companies could make money. If they can't stand on their own two feet, on the strength of their product, they shouldn't be propped up by the government.
 
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I'm bored and he responds, I know there will be no victory here.

can there ever be victory when your opponent isn't smart enough to know he is beaten?
 
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We have 2 kinds of energy needs, electricity, and oil.
There really aren't any technological impediments to making more electricity.
Our major problem is oil. There are no alternatives to oil, only supplements, and those are in short supply.
The only viable answer at the moment is conservation.
Gasoline and diesel prices MUST go up and be taxed more. It is the only way we can be coerced into conserving oil supplies.
 
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