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    Re: Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-ener

    Truman Semans, Principal, Green Order, USA; Former Executive Committee Member, US Climate Action Partnership, USA
    A warmer said, so hell, it must be true! .

    I wonder what his yearly salary is, because of his warmer activism. 6 figures? More?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-ener

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A warmer said, so hell, it must be true! .

    I wonder what his yearly salary is, because of his warmer activism. 6 figures? More?
    Here's an undeniable fact. The United States doesn't have enough domestic energy production to avoid having to import it which causes us to be involved in parts of the world with "questionable morals" like Saudi Arabia which as you pointed out again and again is a proud supporter of a pretty radical view of Islam. You'll find you're support for alternative energy, of any kind doesn't even have to be green, by remembering who some of the biggest benefactors of our current energy importation are. So consider it part of the fight against radical Islam

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    Re: Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-ener

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    ....hows that change you voted for working out?

    So far, better than I expected of a moderate in just 3 years after having been left with 2 wars and one of the worst economies in history. He reversed our slide towards another depression, has our troops coming home from Iraq, got the first health care bill ever passed, saved GM and Chrysler, and 3 million jobs, and has proposed cutting the percentage of spending back to the days of Eisenhower.
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    Re: Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-ener

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Here's an undeniable fact. The United States doesn't have enough domestic energy production to avoid having to import it which causes us to be involved in parts of the world with "questionable morals" like Saudi Arabia which as you pointed out again and again is a proud supporter of a pretty radical view of Islam. You'll find you're support for alternative energy, of any kind doesn't even have to be green, by remembering who some of the biggest benefactors of our current energy importation are. So consider it part of the fight against radical Islam
    We would, if everything was brought on line--wind, solar, bio-fuels, petro-fuels. But, oh no, that'll never happen, because the treehuggers have too big-a-hard on for the oil companies. The green movement is mostly about the environment, but there's a political factor involved, too.
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    Re: Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-ener

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So far, better than I expected of a moderate in just 3 years after having been left with 2 wars and one of the worst economies in history. He reversed our slide towards another depression, has our troops coming home from Iraq, got the first health care bill ever passed, saved GM and Chrysler, and 3 million jobs, and has proposed cutting the percentage of spending back to the days of Eisenhower.
    The sad part is, you believe everything in that post.
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    Re: Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-ener

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So far, better than I expected of a moderate in just 3 years after having been left with 2 wars and one of the worst economies in history. He reversed our slide towards another depression, has our troops coming home from Iraq, got the first health care bill ever passed, saved GM and Chrysler, and 3 million jobs, and has proposed cutting the percentage of spending back to the days of Eisenhower.
    Great Depression II

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    The decision to sell such a large stake, rather than hold onto the shares until their value appreciated further, "greatly reduced" the likelihood that taxpayers would be repaid in full, said the Congressional Oversight Panel, a body of outside experts that monitors bailout programs.
    As for the 3 million number... first it was 8 million jobs created... then saved or created... then it went down to 3 million created... then saved or created... then simply supported... then the administration backed of any type of number of jobs associated with the stimulus at all, as they realized they had no wawy to prove any of the numbers.

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    And THAT was from the very liberal HuffPo

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    Re: Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-ener

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So no need to ever try anything new. Sometimes you gotta spend money to make money and it doesn't always work.

    But hey its ok, lets cut taxes, have "smaller Government" whatever the **** that means, stop gays from getting married, drill in Alaska and the gulf of Mexico, keep importing our oil from the Middle East, shop at mall of America, eat 40 big macs a week and wonder why nothings been done when we keep voting the same dumbasses into power over, and over, and over again.

    /facepalm
    wow, "Sometimes you gotta spend money to make money and it doesn't always work"
    Why should the Government make the decision on where they spend our money? When the Government make's a bad decision it affect's everyone. This method of guessing and checking in order to make everyone happy inhibits new growth.

    "Smaller" Government mean's that we the people do the guess and checking individualy, this way we have a choice in investing into something that would help us directly and if an individual spends money they shouldn't have... they get punished for it for not being successful.

    "stop gays from getting married", completely irrelavant your just grouping people

    The dependance on oil is NOT a good thing in the Free Market. So the free market will naturally lean towards renewable/cheaper energy. The only thing that is preventing this is the oil companies having a monopoly on the influence with this market. THAT is what should be changed, NOT trying to artificially pump our money into something that we cannot afford to do.

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    Re: Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-ener

    Putting this issue into perspective, I wonder how much federal dollars were initially invested into oil and coal companies before they became the main energy resources for America?

    How about Bell Telephone company before they became the nation's #1 telecommunications company (prior to being forced to split-off into smaller regional telephone companies due to anti-trust suits)?

    Point: Every energy start-up in this country has needed an infusion of federal dollars to get it going. While I do worry about the amount of money likely to be poured into such energy ventures, I do believe that unless we really get serious about changing our views on energy consumption and use, we will eventually be foreced to make drastic changes in our national energy policy. The time to start re-thinking energy alternatives, conservation and consumption is NOW!

    Sidenote: Former President Jimmy Carter tried to warn us about our continueous dependency on foriegn oil. Other Presidents since have talked big talk about America's need to become energy independent, but none have put forth any meaningful policy that moves this country in that direction. To that, I give President Obama credit where it's due. He is at least trying to make an effort to wien this nation off big oil and coal and in effect saying to the American people - those who will listen anyway, "What if we stopped being the largest consumers of oil and coal and start EXPORTING these natural resources to other countries who need it...becoming the West's version of OPEC"? Frankly, I like the idea. Unfortunately, people who lack vision and would rather stay put, stand firm, stick with the status quo are those who are most resistent toward making such changes. IMO, that's sad. For all the talk of America being such a powerful nation, our national politics on energy consumption and use is so dumb! I mean, you don't see OPEC scrambling at the pumps everytime a national conflict in the Middle-East threatens to raise fuel prices? And yet here we are again just a mere TWO YEARS LATER with ANOTHER MIDDLE-EASTERN CONFLICT only this time it's not just one Arab country up in arms, it's MASSIVE! Every country in the Arab world it seems is thirsty for regime change as orchestrated by their own people. But as they seek democracy of their own choosing, our fuel prices are slowing creaping up, Up, UP! And we're bitching about a small multi-million dollar investment to a California-based solar panel company in its attempt to break into a competing market with China - the nation we seem to be the most concerned about these days.

    WAKE UP, AMERICA! For if we don't, China will own us, and OPEC will continue to control us if we don't change our energy policies NOW!
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    Re: Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-ener

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So far, better than I expected of a moderate in just 3 years after having been left with 2 wars and one of the worst economies in history. He reversed our slide towards another depression, has our troops coming home from Iraq, got the first health care bill ever passed, saved GM and Chrysler, and 3 million jobs, and has proposed cutting the percentage of spending back to the days of Eisenhower.
    Hold on...my sides are still hurting....A "moderate".....lol.......man that was good.

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    2. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I
    3. Joseph Biden, D-Del.
    4. Bernie Sanders, S-Vt.
    5 Robert Menendez, D-N.J

    ....but when you claimed The Most Expensive and Inexperienced President in History--Barack HusSame Obama..... was going to cut spending.....

    ......that took the cake.
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    Re: Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-ener

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Putting this issue into perspective, I wonder how much federal dollars were initially invested into oil and coal companies before they became the main energy resources for America?

    How about Bell Telephone company before they became the nation's #1 telecommunications company (prior to being forced to split-off into smaller regional telephone companies due to anti-trust suits)?

    Point: Every energy start-up in this country has needed an infusion of federal dollars to get it going. While I do worry about the amount of money likely to be poured into such energy ventures, I do believe that unless we really get serious about changing our views on energy consumption and use, we will eventually be foreced to make drastic changes in our national energy policy. The time to start re-thinking energy alternatives, conservation and consumption is NOW!

    Sidenote: Former President Jimmy Carter tried to warn us about our continueous dependency on foriegn oil. Other Presidents since have talked big talk about America's need to become energy independent, but none have put forth any meaningful policy that moves this country in that direction. To that, I give President Obama credit where it's due. He is at least trying to make an effort to wien this nation off big oil and coal and in effect saying to the American people - those who will listen anyway, "What if we stopped being the largest consumers of oil and coal and start EXPORTING these natural resources to other countries who need it...becoming the West's version of OPEC"? Frankly, I like the idea. Unfortunately, people who lack vision and would rather stay put, stand firm, stick with the status quo are those who are most resistent toward making such changes. IMO, that's sad. For all the talk of America being such a powerful nation, our national politics on energy consumption and use is so dumb! I mean, you don't see OPEC scrambling at the pumps everytime a national conflict in the Middle-East threatens to raise fuel prices? And yet here we are again just a mere TWO YEARS LATER with ANOTHER MIDDLE-EASTERN CONFLICT only this time it's not just one Arab country up in arms, it's MASSIVE! Every country in the Arab world it seems is thirsty for regime change as orchestrated by their own people. But as they seek democracy of their own choosing, our fuel prices are slowing creaping up, Up, UP! And we're bitching about a small multi-million dollar investment to a California-based solar panel company in its attempt to break into a competing market with China - the nation we seem to be the most concerned about these days.

    WAKE UP, AMERICA! For if we don't, China will own us, and OPEC will continue to control us if we don't change our energy policies NOW!

    Excellent post!!!
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