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    A Clarifying Week

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    A Clarifying Week:

    The past week has done an enormous amount to illuminate the contours of the struggle for fiscal sanity in America. It is increasingly clear that one party is committed to denying the reality of the challenges we face and wants instead to bury its head in the ground and pretend all is well, and that another party is slowly coming to terms with the fact that it will have to lead the way if we are to avert a disastrous debt crisis.

    President Obama’s budget, released Monday, was the epitome of cynical denial. It proposed to take none of the steps required to address the fiscal collapse of our welfare state—no real tax reform, no real entitlement-spending reform, no real discretionary-spending reform. No change of direction at all...

    House Republicans did not answer this denial of reality with a politically convenient denial of their own. Instead, their response to Obama’s budget was that if he wouldn’t lead then they would. In a statement Tuesday afternoon, House Republican leaders said that their forthcoming 2012 budget would:

    include real entitlement reforms so that we can have a conversation with the American people about the challenges we face and the need to chart a new path to prosperity. Our reforms will focus both on saving these programs for current and future generations of Americans and on getting our debt under control and our economy growing. By taking critical steps forward now, we can fulfill the mission of health and retirement security for all Americans without making changes for those in or near retirement. We hope the President and Democratic leaders in Congress will demonstrate leadership and join us in working toward responsible solutions to confront the fiscal and economic challenges before us.

    But that hope was clearly misplaced. By Wednesday, Democrats were explicitly acknowledging a cynical political strategy behind their denials of the entitlement problem — they hope to goad Republicans into proposing entitlement reforms and then bash them for it instead of offering alternatives of their own. “They are suckers,” one “senior Democratic congressional aide” told Politico, “they have painted themselves into a corner.” A true profile in courage for Washington Democrats...

    Wisconsin, where a new Republican governor has proposed to have many of the state’s public employees start contributing modestly toward their own pension and health benefits (though still not as much as essentially all private-sector workers do), and proposed limiting their collective bargaining rights to negotiations over pay rather than benefits. Change along these lines is obviously unavoidable as Wisconsin and many other states confront enormous budget gaps and daunting unfunded retirement liabilities. But in Madison, no less than in Washington, Democrats are intent on avoiding the unavoidable and denying the undeniable...

    In Washington and all over the country, then, the Democratic party is mobilizing to defend our failing system of entitlements and runaway spending by cynically denying reality, while Republicans are mobilizing to take on difficult governing choices and confront at last the reality of what the liberal welfare state has wrought.

    Too often, there is not much of a difference between the parties, and people inclined to care about policy are driven to call a pox on both their houses. But as this remarkable week has shown, this is not one of those times. The Democrats are shaming themselves on the premise that American voters can’t handle the truth and that there is political advantage in appealing to the country’s worst instincts. Republicans, whether by choice or by default, are taking up the challenge of telling voters the truth about our problems and persuading them that effective, responsible, and gradual solutions are possible — without taking benefits from current seniors and without abandoning our obligation to fellow citizens in need. There have not been many opportunities for conservatives to be proud of being Republicans in recent years, but this week has certainly been one...
    So come 2012 I suppose we're going to see if the American people are adults or not. Now THIS, is going to be a real election .

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    So come 2012 I suppose we're going to see if the American people are adults or not. Now THIS, is going to be a real election
    It takes two people to have a competitive election. So far, we have but one. The problem of the GOP is not ideas. They have more ideas than a pharmacy has drugs. Unfortunately, nearly all are bad ideas. Their real problem is the lack of a viable candidate.
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    Re: A Clarifying Week

    I would not have a problem at all with all Americans tightening the belt if it were truly all Americans that were ask to do so.

    If tax breaks and loopholes were also taken away I would go for it but that is not what is happening here.

    Big business have had tax breaks for years yet they are laying off not hiring. Big business is lobbying hard on the government to keep the setup that rewards them for going overseas. They don't want just tax breaks they want no taxes in the US.


    When the fair share is distributed to both sides and not just big business then I'll say no problem go for it. One only has to look at charts from years past to see where the biggest distribution has been going but it isn't enough they want more and the only way to get it is to shut down the very things that build up the US.

    I don't have a problem with lowering the corporate tax rates if your going to shut down the loopholes that lets them get out of paying those taxes.

    Over regulation can be a problem but it is also a problem when business looks for ways to bribe regulators so they can skirt even common sense regulation and it does the country harm for regulators to take the bribes.

    Derivatives are not a problem of the little people they are a problem of big business and even those in big business don't always understand them but they have caused big harm to the whole of America.

    Americas problems are across the board to lay them simply at the feet of workers and the mantra of big government is a farce.
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    Re: A Clarifying Week

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It takes two people to have a competitive election. So far, we have but one. The problem of the GOP is not ideas. They have more ideas than a pharmacy has drugs. Unfortunately, nearly all are bad ideas. Their real problem is the lack of a viable candidate.
    Nearly all are bad ideas?? You got some?? Haymarket, your denial of reality is rapidly becoming legendary.

    The more light that shines on sweetheart public pensions the happier I am -- the happier we should all be. Taxpayers are being sodomized.

    And that's just ONE of their good ideas.
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    Re: A Clarifying Week

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    It takes two people to have a competitive election. So far, we have but one. The problem of the GOP is not ideas. They have more ideas than a pharmacy has drugs. Unfortunately, nearly all are bad ideas. Their real problem is the lack of a viable candidate.
    No what you have is a disgraceful incumbent that you are stuck with. Sucks to be you.
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    Re: A Clarifying Week

    It is increasingly clear that one party is committed to denying the reality of the challenges we face and wants instead to bury its head in the ground and pretend all is well, and that another party is slowly coming to terms with the fact that it will have to lead the way if we are to avert a disastrous debt crisis.
    Nah. Actually what you have is one party that is committed to denying the fact that the trendline for entitlement spending is the real problem, and they're pretending to address the issue by chipping away at discretionary spending, which is at historically normal levels and isn't projected to get any higher in the future. This will reduce economic growth and is in no way desirable.

    You have another party that is also committed to denying the fact that entitlement spending is the real problem, but at least isn't pursuing economically destructive policies like cutting discretionary spending.

    ...and let's not forget that this whole debate is taking place just weeks after both parties voted to extend tax cuts for the rich for two more years, with a $3.9 trillion impact on the national debt over the course of the next ten years.
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    Re: A Clarifying Week

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    It takes two people to have a competitive election. So far, we have but one. The problem of the GOP is not ideas. They have more ideas than a pharmacy has drugs. Unfortunately, nearly all are bad ideas. Their real problem is the lack of a viable candidate.


    Chris Christie,
    Scott Brown,


    The latter would be a real sell to moderate liberals.


    Not my favorite... but both could and IMO would beat Obama hands down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Chris Christie,
    Scott Brown,


    The latter would be a real sell to moderate liberals.


    Not my favorite... but both could and IMO would beat Obama hands down.
    You may be right about the viability of Brown being able to win a November election.He certainly would have more appeal to moderates and Independents. However, he has NO chance of winning the nomination given the make-up of the GOP primary constituency. .

    You and I are 180 degrees apart on Christie - both in our opinion of him as well as his viability in an election. I think he would get his clock cleaned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No what you have is a disgraceful incumbent that you are stuck with. Sucks to be you.
    Hardly. When folks like Palin and other extremist screechers are your best bets, I think we are in the drivers seat with the power of incumbency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You may be right about the viability of Brown being able to win a November election.He certainly would have more appeal to moderates and Independents. However, he has NO chance of winning the nomination given the make-up of the GOP primary constituency. .

    You and I are 180 degrees apart on Christie - both in our opinion of him as well as his viability in an election. I think he would get his clock cleaned.


    Corzine thought the same thing.
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