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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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ppp is a dem pollster

Just want to clarify The Prof's comment -- mainly because I personally didn't "get it" until I clicked on Catawba's link and saw who did the poll: Public Policy Polling. So, I thought, who are they? Well, Google them if you'd like to get some other links that say much the same thing, but here's what Wiki says:

Public Policy Polling (PPP) is an American Democratic Party-affiliated polling firm based in Raleigh, North Carolina.[1][2][3] PPP was founded in 2001 by businessman and Democratic pollster Dean Debnam, the firm's current president and chief executive officer

It's just scarey that we can't get accurate information. Just really scarey. Combine this with what The Prof posted about the false sampling in the other poll and we all oughta' just puke. I'm telling you, it's frightening.

Thank you, Prof. Great posts.
 
ppp is a dem pollster

All the legitimate polls show that voters do not support ending collective bargaining for public servants. Show me one that doesn't?
 
pros know that polls this far out are a waste of time

ie, knock yourself out, class warrior

either way, walker has already won a macro political victory---he's got ALL the public employees racing against each other to drastically CUT their own bennies and radically INCREASE their contributions

and it's certainly not confined to the badgers---it's in new jersey, indiana, ohio, pennsylvania...

and it's inimically INFECTED such dem stalwarts as ANDREW CUOMO and MOONBEAM BROWN

bottom line

seeya at the precincts, patton
 
pros know that polls this far out are a waste of time

ie, knock yourself out, class warrior

either way, walker has already won a macro political victory---he's got ALL the public employees racing against each other to drastically CUT their own bennies and radically INCREASE their contributions

and it's certainly not confined to the badgers---it's in new jersey, indiana, ohio, pennsylvania...

and it's inimically INFECTED such dem stalwarts as ANDREW CUOMO and MOONBEAM BROWN

bottom line

seeya at the precincts, patton


LOL! It took you a while! But that's alright, I knew you wouldn't find anything to back up your position. Yes, we will indeed see you at the polls. It should be a very interesting election next year - the rich against the middle class!

Already, Wisconsin has not seen protests this size since the Vietnam War!
 
CBS News/New York Times survey oversampled union households | Mark Tapscott | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

bottom line: how can the american people be in solid support when even ANDREW CUOMO and MOONBEAM BROWN aren't

the gubs of blue bastions ny and ca are, indeed, about to SLASH

what's gonna happen to the seiu's and afscme's after public payroll gets CHOPPED

union dues, campaign contributions, political clout...

who's gonna counter the kochs

Obviously lots of the American people simply do not agree with Walker or you.
 
LOL! It took you a while! But that's alright, I knew you wouldn't find anything to back up your position. Yes, we will indeed see you at the polls. It should be a very interesting election next year - the rich against the middle class!

Already, Wisconsin has not seen protests this size since the Vietnam War!

The rich against the middle class. Its about time the lines were clearly drawn.
 
Obviously lots of the American people simply do not agree with Walker or you.

cuomo does

in fact, people like me might say the newly elected GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK goes too far

he's so mean and angry
 
I knew you wouldn't find anything to back up your position

says the hater of half america who resorts to a poll from a dem outfit on the badger state gubernatorial TWO YEARS OUT

LOL!
 
I said what I meant and meant what I said. the rich most of the actually tax dollars in this country. The top 5% pay more federal income taxes than the bottom 95% and more death confiscation taxes (indeed the top 1 percent pay more DC taxes than the bottom 99%)

as to the taxes that fund teachers in the public sector-that depends on how the states fund them

Again, there is no death tax.... you are taking your own political rhetoric too seriously as the tax is a tax on estates. The reason this tax is skewed is that the upper incomes tend to have estates and poor do not.

Moreover, the design of the income tax is to tax discretionary income thus there are a ton of exemptions, deductions and credits so that only discretionary income is taxed. Again, the lower half of our economic base has little to no discretionary income. Unfortunately this group is much harder hit in with payroll, gasoline, property and excise taxes than their counterparts in the upper tier. Our overall progressive tax system really isn't so progressive. From a progressive tax prospective, the upper incomes are NOT paying their fair share.
 
Again, there is no death tax.... you are taking your own political rhetoric too seriously as the tax is a tax on estates. The reason this tax is skewed is that the upper incomes tend to have estates and poor do not.

Moreover, the design of the income tax is to tax discretionary income thus there are a ton of exemptions, deductions and credits so that only discretionary income is taxed. Again, the lower half of our economic base has little to no discretionary income. Unfortunately this group is much harder hit in with payroll, gasoline, property and excise taxes than their counterparts in the upper tier. Our overall progressive tax system really isn't so progressive. From a progressive tax prospective, the upper incomes are NOT paying their fair share.

You seem reasonable and not the typical liberal so how about answering the question as to what you feel is the "fair share" that the rich should pay? From the IRS data here is what we have right now

This relates to Federal Income taxes as that is the role of the IRS

The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.

Do you believe it is fair for 47% of the people NOT to pay any Federal Income tax? 38% of all Federal Income taxes come from the rich so apparently that isn't a fair share? Zero percent paid by income earners below 50,000 is fair?
 
Obviously lots of the American people simply do not agree with Walker or you.

Or maybe they do.........

Thirty-seven percent (37%) of American adults think labor unions have “too much influence on American life and politics today,” according to a recently released CBS News/New York Times poll. Only half as many (19%) believe that unions have too little influence.

Twenty-nine percent (29%) say the level of influence is about right, while 15% are not sure.

The survey of 984 adults was conducted February 24-27, 2011.

The survey also finds a fairly even divide when it comes to assessing the motives of those “governors and state legislators” who “try to reduce the benefits of public employees.” By a narrow 45% to 41%, a modest plurality believes the primary motivation is to reduce budget deficits.

A similar plurality finds that American adults prefer spending cuts over tax hikes as a way to reduce state budget deficits. Given a list of four options, 45% say their top choice is a reduction in spending, while 40% pick a tax hike. The spending options include 22% who pick a decrease in benefits for public employees, 20% who would rather see a decrease in funding for roads and three percent (3%) who opt for decreased funding for education.
Plurality Says Labor Unions Have Too Much Influence According to CBS/NY Times Poll - Rasmussen Reports™
 
says the hater of half america who resorts to a poll from a dem outfit on the badger state gubernatorial TWO YEARS OUT

LOL!

Says the one who could find no polls to back up his position. LOL!

All the polls show the same thing. People do not support ending collective bargaining.
 
Says the one who could find no polls to back up his position. LOL!

All the polls show the same thing. People do not support ending collective bargaining.

Apparently Obama doesn't believe in collective bargaining for Federal Union employees since he never offered up a bill that would have given them collective bargaining rights. He had total control of the govt. for two years and no legislation regarding public unions.
 
Apparently Obama doesn't believe in collective bargaining for Federal Union employees since he never offered up a bill that would have given them collective bargaining rights. He had total control of the govt. for two years and no legislation regarding public unions.

Many Federal employees do have collective bargaining rights, but what does that have to do with what the voters want? Please try to stay on subject.
 
Many Federal employees do have collective bargaining rights, but what does that have to do with what the voters want? Please try to stay on subject.

The voters showed what they wanted on Nov. 2, 2010 but elections don't matter when the results aren't what liberals want. Federal Workers do NOT have collective bargaining rights on wages and benefits as has been posted and linked here many times. You simply continue to ignore the facts to spout talking points.
 
The voters showed what they wanted on Nov. 2, 2010 but elections don't matter when the results aren't what liberals want. .

Nope, Walker never campaigned on ending collective bargaining. He is going against what his people want. That is why you are seeing the largest protest in his state since the Vietnam War, and why all the polls are against Walker's attempt to end collective bargaining.

Should make for a very interesting election in 2012. The timing couldn't have been better for the Walker and the Koch brothers to attempt their hostile corporate takeover of the state of Wisconsin. It will be a showcase for the country during the campaign. :sun
 
Nope, Walker never campaigned on ending collective bargaining. He is going against what his people want. That is why you are seeing the largest protest in his state since the Vietnam War, and why all the polls are against Walker's attempt to end collective bargaining.

Should make for a very interesting election in 2012. The timing couldn't have been better for the Walker and the Koch brothers to attempt their hostile corporate takeover of the state of Wisconsin. It will be a showcase for the country during the campaign. :sun

Good, bring it on. You have four years to campaign on that issue in Wisconsin. By then the budget will be balanced and new jobs created in Wisconsin. You obviously don't understand private business at all but guess what as long as the wacko left exists there will be public union employees but no private sector jobs being created. Why not turn the entire state over to public employees?
 
Apparently Obama doesn't believe in collective bargaining for Federal Union employees since he never offered up a bill that would have given them collective bargaining rights. He had total control of the govt. for two years and no legislation regarding public unions.

Apparently Conservative doesn't believe in Federalism for states to enact their own laws independent from the Federal Government in Washington DC.
 
Apparently Conservative doesn't believe in Federalism for states to enact their own laws independent from the Federal Government in Washington DC.

There you go again, different day same old argument. This isn't about Federalism or Obama would have stayed out of the issue. This is about unions and collective bargaining. Seems strange that someone so pro union wouldn't change the Federal law giving federal union employees the same rights as the Public unions get in Wisconsin.
 
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You have four years to campaign on that issue in Wisconsin. By then the budget will be balanced and new jobs created in Wisconsin.

I can evision the posts as I sit here.

Anti Walker poster: there is no evidence that the moves made by Walker are responsible for any jobs created in his tenure.

Conservative: You obviously are a wacko leftist who does not understand private business at all and think people only exist to pay taxes to subsidize unproductive union members.

Something to look forward to in a few years. or not.
 
if all the polls (LOL!) show such "solid support" for the unionists, then why are they all racing each other and governors cuomo and brown to increase so radically their contributions towards their health care and retirements?

walker's already won

try to stay up
 
There you go again, different day same old argument. This isn't about Federalism or Obama would have stayed out of the issue. This is about unions and collective bargaining. Seems strange that someone so pro union wouldn't change the Federal law giving federal union employees the same rights as the Public unions get in Wisconsin.

President Obama commenting on events around the USA has absolutely NOTHING to do with the ability of different states to pass laws under our system of federalism. You are linking two things that are linked only in your mind by your blind hatred of both unions and President Obama.
 
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I can evision the posts as I sit here.

Anti Walker poster: there is no evidence that the moves made by Walker are responsible for any jobs created in his tenure.

Conservative: You obviously are a wacko leftist who does not understand private business at all and think people only exist to pay taxes to subsidize unproductive union members.

Something to look forward to in a few years. or not.

I am convinced that you have sold your employer, a state representative, the value of being in political forums to guage the attitude of people. Hopefully your employer isn't monitoring your posts because he wouldn't take positively your defense of state public union collective bargaining while ignoring the plight of Federal Union employees. Doubt that your employer if monitoring your posts would allow you to continue.
 
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