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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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disneydude said:
Yet...you think it is completely fine for corporations to buy our congressmen? Wow...
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Everybody's buying our Congressmen!!! And who in the world said that was fine? You? Certainly not me, DD.
 
ElijahGalt said:
Oh wow! Major change. Instead of consistently supporting democrats for 20 years, now corporations are throwing more of their money in the opposite direction. I guess we'll see what the future holds.

Bull****. Why do you think prescription drug companies support Obama's HC bill? Or why is it that GE and Apple and Facebook and Google have shelled out billions to support the democrats? Is that what you call standing up to corporations?
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Again, follow the big money in 2010 and see where it went, that's the side I am against.
 
MaggieD said:
Everybody's buying our Congressmen!!! And who in the world said that was fine? You? Certainly not me, DD.
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That's essentially what you are saying. Its fine for the corporations to be able to spend all kinds of money influencing our elected officials, yet people such as yourself freak out at the idea that the working people actually have a voice in negotiating their own work contracts.

When did our American values become so perverted?
 
Catawba said:
I go with the side the corporations hate the most. Guess who that is?
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So, you were a republican for the last 20 years? By the way, which corporations?




Yes, and you frequently give me examples to remind me.
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Name a single strawman I've created.

Which spending bills did Ray-gun veto?
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That's irrelevant to the point. You claimed he spent more than all other presidents before him combined and to date, no one has yet out-matched Reagan. I don't deny the first part of that claim, but I highly doubt the second part.

KInd of hard to rate their progress since Ray-gun scrapped them. However, they had begun to work during the 4 years before Ray-gun scrapped them. We would have had 3 decades to develop alternatives and three decades of concerted conservation efforts could have prevented our need to go to war in the ME and to help prepare us for what the military is now warning us about happening in this decade, wold peak oil.
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They've been warning us about peak oil since the 1970s! And if you don't know the true numbers behind the progress, then your assertion is based entirely on faith. Since the vast majority of renewable energy sources are not doing a lick of difference to our oil consumption, I strongly suggest you rethink that assertion.

I would submit that you put way too little stock in the importance of leadership.
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I put more stock in the people's ability to change society for the better. You, on the other hand, appear to deify leaders and follow them wherever they may lead you.
 
Catawba said:
You reposted the link remember?
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no, i didn't

i posted the cnn link to yesterday's gub assn blowup over medicaid's expansion

you told me it was the financial times link that "didn't work"

you really don't know what's going on

maybe you should LINK more often yourself

that'd force you to READ up on what's happening around you

y'know, here in the TWENTY FIRST CENTURY

LOL!
 
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Catawba said:
Again, follow the big money in 2010 and see where it went, that's the side I am against.
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In that case, you were a republican for the past 20 years! Am I right? Or do you just follow the bandwagon?
 
Originally Posted by Catawba
Again, follow the big money in 2010 and see where it went, that's the side I am against.
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Link please. For both sides of the aisle...
 
ElijahGalt said:
In that case, you were a republican for the past 20 years! Am I right? Or do you just follow the bandwagon?
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During the last 20 years, of the top ten funders, only 2 corporations gave the big money to Democrats, the rest came from unions.
 
Catawba said:
During the last 20 years, of the top ten funders, only 2 corporations gave the big money to Democrats, the rest came from unions.
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Go back to my link and read again. You are wrong.
 
ElijahGalt said:
Go back to my link and read again. You are wrong.
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I could be, but I reread it again and get the same results:

'1 ActBlue
2 AT&T Inc
3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees
4 National Assn of Realtors
5 Goldman Sachs
6 American Assn for Justice
7 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
8 National Education Assn
9 Laborers Union
10 Teamsters Union'

Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2010 | OpenSecrets

According to your site, of top ten donors, only 1 corporate donor gave more to Democrats than Republicans during the last 20 years.
 
Anything and everything Republican politicians do is about politics, and their target is always how to win the 2012 election, nothing about Conservatism, or ways to help their constituents get jobs, or even realistic ways to balance the budget. It's really sad that a once well respected group would resort to a win at all costs petty politics.

ricksfolly
 
ricksfolly said:
Anything and everything Republican politicians do is about politics, and their target is always how to win the 2012 election, nothing about Conservatism, or ways to help their constituents get jobs, or even realistic ways to balance the budget. It's really sad that a once well respected group would resort to a win at all costs petty politics.

ricksfolly
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Rick, I cannot seem to get anyone who supports the Wisconsin unions to explain to me why public unions in the state deserve better collective bargaining rights than the Federal Public Union employees? What exactly has Obama done to give Federal Employees collective bargaining rights when he had a Democrat Congress for two years? States cannot print money and must have a balanced budget yet one of the biggest costs to the state is public unions and they don't negotiate with the people that pay their salaries.
 
ElijahGalt said:
Here it is again, for your convenience. You really had no idea.
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I still have no idea what puzzle you are trying to put together. Your childish games mean nothing to me.

In case you did not "get it" the first time... my statement to you... was giving back to you what you told me.... All the exclamation points (those were clues that I was not serious and being sarcastic) should have tipped you off.
 
Conservative said:
Rick,
I cannot seem to get anyone who supports the Wisconsin unions to explain to me why public unions in the state deserve better collective bargaining rights than the Federal Public Union employees?
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Lets try this again.

In the USA we have something called Federalism. As part of that we have three different levels of government - National, State and Local. Each is separate and distinct from each other. We also have a principle of government called Separation of Powers which gives us three different branches, each with its own powers.

What a State Government does on its level is separate and apart from what the Federal/National government does on its level.

Are we clear now?
 
haymarket said:
Lets try this again.

In the USA we have something called Federalism. As part of that we have three different levels of government - National, State and Local. Each is separate and distinct from each other. We also have a principle of government called Separation of Powers which gives us three different branches, each with its own powers.

What a State Government does on its level is separate and apart from what the Federal/National government does on its level.

Are we clear now?
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That never was the issue no matter how many times you say it. What prevented Obama from proposing collective bargaining rights for Federal Public Unions? If collective bargaining is good for state public employees that cannot print money or run a debt, why isn't it good for Federal Public Union employees when the Federal Govt. can print money and run debt?
 
haymarket said:
This type of rabid right wing attack on working people is an ugly but sadly necessary part of the cycle that will renew the American labor movement and cause them to emerge more powerful than ever. It is a sad commentary on human nature that each generation forgets the sturggles and sacrifices of those who helped make their life what it is today.
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I think those on the right are going to learn a lesson, you should never wake up a sleeping giant. 2012 is right around the corner
 
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gao, govt accountability office, congressional audit of authority, yesterday, march 11: a full HALF TRILLION dollars of WASTE and DUPLICATION of bureaucratic arrogance, largesse, incompetence, corruption...

All told, the GAO targeted as much as $510 billion on 583 potentially duplicative, wasteful programs overseen by roughly 182 government agencies and offices, stretching across the federal government, from the Department of Defense to Transportation to Health & Human Services. The GAO found that some of the duplication dates back to 2002, but most came in fiscal years 2009 to 2010 and going forward.

The GAO found as much as $200 billion in duplicative spending going out the door over the next decade on 2,100 data centers alone. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) requested the report, and has said “it makes us all look like jackasses.”

The GAO’s list dovetails with work already done on this waste by the Congressional Budget Office (see below).

For instance, the U.S. has 15 different agencies overseeing food-safety laws, 25 separate programs on health information systems, and 80 programs for economic development. The GAO says there are potentially 35 duplicative programs on infrastructure. And it questions the $58 billion spent annually on 100 surface transportation projects. Health and transportation programs matter greatly here, since the fear is health reform may add to this duplication, and the White House has spent hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars on stimulus funds for transportation projects to create jobs.

The sought after cap and trade system which would set up a carbon credit marketplace to cut global warming would cost up to $200 billion a year, the US Treasury says, or $1,800 per American household.

The GAO says just five of 47 job training and employment programs had been evaluated for efficiencies. “Little is known about the effectiveness of most programs,” the GAO said in its report. The government also spent $62.5 billion on 18 food assistance programs, but “little is known about the effectiveness of [11 of the 18 programs] because they have not been well studied,” the GAO said.
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that's g-a-o, gentlepeople

a HALF A TRILLION---pfft

reported YESTERDAY, march 1

sure, let's givem even MORE of our NEIGHBORS' money---for reasons somehow having to do with dear ronnie ray-gun

Gov't Watchdog IDs Billions In Federal Waste - Politics News Story - WSMV Nashville

GAO Finds Massive Waste, Duplication - FoxBusiness.com

and don't forget what we're facing, folks---a housing market which popped and brought us here and is still no basement in sight, the states are facing TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION of unfunded public pensions, the states are straining with another QUARTER TRIL via medicaid's expansion, unfunded liabilities in medicare and social security approach the combined gdp of the entire planet, service on the debt---mere INTEREST ALONE---will approach a full ONE TRILLION DOLLARS a year by just after mid decade (according to the nyt), fannie and fred could cost another HALF T...

and you want to debate?
 
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EarlzP said:
I think those on the right are going to learn a lesson, you should never wake up a sleeping giant. 2012 is right around the corner
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Good another liberal, how about answering the question, why don't Federal Public employees have full collective bargaining rights that the public unions of Wisconsin have? My bet is you don't even know what the issures are?
 
Conservative said:
Rick, I cannot seem to get anyone who supports the Wisconsin unions to explain to me why public unions in the state deserve better collective bargaining rights than the Federal Public Union employees? What exactly has Obama done to give Federal Employees collective bargaining rights when he had a Democrat Congress for two years? States cannot print money and must have a balanced budget yet one of the biggest costs to the state is public unions and they don't negotiate with the people that pay their salaries.
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Is there a reason that you have to divert every thread on DP to one about Obama? :2wave:
 
Conservative said:
That never was the issue no matter how many times you say it. What prevented Obama from proposing collective bargaining rights for Federal Public Unions? If collective bargaining is good for state public employees that cannot print money or run a debt, why isn't it good for Federal Public Union employees when the Federal Govt. can print money and run debt?
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How can anyone answer your question with any verifiable degree of accuracy? You are asking somebody to explain why something DID NOT HAPPEN. Its silly and nonsensical and you seem to think you have latched onto a dinosaur bone but you have no point.
 
donc said:
Is there a reason that you have to divert every thread on DP to one about Obama? :2wave:
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Obsession. And a rather unhealthy one at that.

And now sit back and watch how many times he complained that his question is not being answered.

Asked - answered - more times than I care to count. But its not the answer he has in his mind so he keeps on asking like a child who nags you to death until they get their cookie.
 
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The Prof said:
gao, govt accountability office, congressional audit of authority, yesterday, march 11: a full HALF TRILLION dollars of WASTE and DUPLICATION of bureaucratic arrogance, largesse, incompetence, corruption...



that's g-a-o, gentlepeople

a HALF A TRILLION---pfft

reported YESTERDAY, march 1

sure, let's givem even MORE of our NEIGHBORS' money---for reasons somehow having to do with dear ronnie ray-gun

Gov't Watchdog IDs Billions In Federal Waste - Politics News Story - WSMV Nashville

GAO Finds Massive Waste, Duplication - FoxBusiness.com

and don't forget what we're facing, folks---a housing market which popped and brought us here and is still no basement in sight, the states are facing TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION of unfunded public pensions, the states are straining with another QUARTER TRIL via medicaid's expansion, unfunded liabilities in medicare and social security approach the combined gdp of the entire planet, service on the debt---mere INTEREST ALONE---will approach a full ONE TRILLION DOLLARS a year by just after mid decade (according to the nyt), fannie and fred could cost another HALF T...

and you want to debate?
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Amazingly after 8 years of a republican administration they awake 2 years into the democratic administration to find all of these wasteful programs
 
donc said:
Is there a reason that you have to divert every thread on DP to one about Obama? :2wave:
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This thread is about unions and collective bargaining. Obama inserted himself into this debate.
 
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