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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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Catawba said:
Not since we have a government that is no longer giving in completely to corporate control. You may call 7 out 10 marginal, I see it as an overwhelming majority, and if the GOP is successful in busting unions that leaves all of the big money donors for the GOP. As I said I am not as fond of a one party system as others think they would be.
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You've said nothing that would indicate you want a change of government that does not cater to massive entities and special interest groups. You're fine with the corporatist structure, I see. And I did not say 7 out of 10 is marginal, I said the difference in funding is quite marginal. Massive corporations that you apparently despise are still giving dozens of millions of dollars to the political party that you support. And as I've argued, republicans may take the cake in 2010, but the past 20 years has seen democrats as the leading political prostitutes.

We're already living in a one-party system.

No one has shown to me that teachers, firefighters and policeman are overpaid. Unlike others I do not expect our public servants to work for third world wages. You can't balance 3 decades of bad fiscal policies on the backs of our public servants.
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Then you haven't been paying attention. If you believe six-figure salaries for police, firefighters, garbage men, and school administrators is "adequate," then we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
Conservative said:
Reagan and Congress added 1.7 trillion to the debt in 8 years
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Reagan and the Republican congress increased the National debt more than all the presidents before him, combined. A record still unmatched by any president or Congress since.

And Ray-gun dismantled our energy independence programs that would have had us free from dependence on foreign oil today.
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Catawba said:
Conservative said:
Reagan and the Republican congress increased the National debt more than all the presidents before him, combined. A record still unmatched by any president or Congress since.

And Ray-gun dismantled our energy independence programs that would have had us free from dependence on foreign oil today.
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You really do live in a fantasy world, don't you?
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Boo Radley said:
I don't think that's true. Representaitves, governors, and all don't just get their money from union memebers. They get money from business and rich folk as well. On the presentation side, those with more, business and wealthy, have far more representation than working folks do, even with unions.


Jon Stewart explains how the middle class has become the scapegoat for the budget crisis.

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he's a tool. there is no denying that the politicians who bargain with the public sector unions are not representing AND ONLY representing the interests of the taxpayers. In areas where Pub Sec Unions are powerful, there is no doubt that the areas tend to have a fair amount of dems in elected and appointed office.

the fact remains that when my father (who was CEO of a company that once was full of steel workers) and his vp of labor and counsel negotiated terms with the steel workers, his only interest was in what was best for the owners of that company.

if a politician is a recipient of pub sector support he is not bargaining purely for the tax payer
 
Catawba said:
I am guessing there is no info contained to back up your claim that our public servants are being overpaid.
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guessing?

LOL!

it's not mine, and it's not a claim

it's ft's REPORT

public pensions at the state level alone face a TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLAR shortfall

and that's not even accounting for MEDICAID, which is what's got the GOVERNOR'S ASSN so grumpy this week

Medicaid funding busts governors' budgets - Feb. 28, 2011

obamacare expands this ghetto of health care---with no funding

you really don't know what's going on around you, too stuck in the class wars of the eighties

seeya at the polls, patton
 
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that's non responsive but its to be expected from the Union rules propaganda
 
Catawba said:
Conservative said:
Reagan and the Republican congress increased the National debt more than all the presidents before him, combined. A record still unmatched by any president or Congress since.

And Ray-gun dismantled our energy independence programs that would have had us free from dependence on foreign oil today.
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Don't you ever get tired of being proven wrong. Democrats controlled the House the entire Reagan term and that is where the spending bills start. You really should stop while behind.

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donc said:
Give us your explanation of why the middle class is fast becoming as extent as the dodo bird (Raphus cucullatus) prof.
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1) more people are becoming wealthy

2) the lower classes have more kids

3) government handouts have sapped ambition and desire from many

4) and your claim is pretty hysterically hyperbolic
 
TurtleDude said:
he's a tool. there is no denying that the politicians who bargain with the public sector unions are not representing AND ONLY representing the interests of the taxpayers. In areas where Pub Sec Unions are powerful, there is no doubt that the areas tend to have a fair amount of dems in elected and appointed office.

the fact remains that when my father (who was CEO of a company that once was full of steel workers) and his vp of labor and counsel negotiated terms with the steel workers, his only interest was in what was best for the owners of that company.

if a politician is a recipient of pub sector support he is not bargaining purely for the tax payer
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How is that any different than under "Citizens united" corporations are now free to spend unlimited funds in the political arena. If a politicians is a recipient of corporate support, is he bargaining purely for the tax payer?
 
disneydude said:
How is that any different than under "Citizens united" corporations are now free to spend unlimited funds in the political arena. If a politicians is a recipient of corporate support, is he bargaining purely for the tax payer?
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in a free society, corporations ought to be able to spend all they want. corporations aren not directly competing against the interests of taxpayers. public unions are.
 
TurtleDude said:
in a free society, corporations ought to be able to spend all they want. corporations aren not directly competing against the interests of taxpayers. public unions are.
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Nice weasling there. So in your mind, its ok for politicians to becomes tools of the corporatists, but god forbid that a politician become tools of the workers.
Sometimes you guys are simply too much....LOL
 
ElijahGalt said:
You've said nothing that would indicate you want a change of government that does not cater to massive entities and special interest groups.
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Massive entities and special interest groups? Are you talking about we the people?

You're fine with the corporatist structure, I see. And I did not say 7 out of 10 is marginal, I said the difference in funding is quite marginal. Massive corporations that you apparently despise are still giving dozens of millions of dollars to the political party that you support. And as I've argued, republicans may take the cake in 2010, but the past 20 years has seen democrats as the leading political prostitutes.
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The liberals received $94.1 M and the Conservatives received $190 M. Is that what you call marginal? If you remove the Unions from the picture than all of the big money goes to the GOP.

We're already living in a one-party system.
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Than why was all of the big corporate money in 2010 going to support one side?

Then you haven't been paying attention. If you believe six-figure salaries for police, firefighters, garbage men, and school administrators is "adequate," then we'll have to agree to disagree.
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The average income for Wisconsin educators which includes administrators is $75,000 (and that amount includes benefits). I am only counting five figures.
 
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disneydude said:
Nice weasling there. So in your mind, its ok for politicians to becomes tools of the corporatists, but god forbid that a politician become tools of the workers.
Sometimes you guys are simply too much....LOL
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you don't get it do you

corporations are not created with tax payer money and we are not forced to deal with or fund corporations
 
Catawba said:
Massive entities and special interest groups? Are you talking about we the people?
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A special interest group represents a special interest group. They do not represent the entire nation.

The liberals received $94.1 M and the Conservatives received $190 M. Is that what you call marginal? If you remove the Unions from the picture than all of the big money goes to the GOP.
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First of all, that is false. Look at my statistics again. Massive corporations gave dozens of millions of dollars to BOTH parties, not just the republicans. Second, 94 mil versus 190 mil is also irrelevant, IMHO. It's like comparing the death rates under Hitler and Stalin and claiming Hitler was more benevolent than Stalin because he killed less people. In the end, they're both psychopathic murderers and in the end, both political parties are prostituting themselves to corporate and union interests.

Than why was all of the big corporate money in 2010 going to support one side?
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Again, false.

The average income for Wisconsin educators which includes administrators is $75,000 (and that amount includes benefits). I am only counting five figures.
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Usually, the six-figures come after overtime pay is factored into the equation. Teachers and administrators may be the exception. But firefighters, police, and garbage men are making around 75K a year before overtime and after overtime kicks in, they're well into the six-figure range. Source = 60 Minutes.
 
Catawba said:
Says the guy who votes for candidates that have no chance of winning.
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now that is more an indictment as to the sheep like nature of the public than Galt

btw what Union do you work for Catawba. I like to have a perspective on what motivates people
 
Catawba said:
As I suspected there is nothing in your article that refers to teachers being overpaid.
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maybe they are maybe there are not but what we do know is that the system is not able to prevent that when those who are bargaining with the Pub Sec unions don't have the taxpayers purse as their only interest
 
Catawba said:
Says the guy who votes for candidates that have no chance of winning.
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What is popular is not always right and vice versa. You obviously vote for the bandwagon.

No, but my assertion that you live in fantasyland is backed by your ridiculous claims that Reagan's spending has yet to be matched (both GWB and Obama far exceeded Reagan's spending habits) and Reagan ruined our chances of energy independence. The last comment was by far the most bogus of them all.
 
Catawba said:
Says the guy who votes for candidates that have no chance of winning.
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says the guy who pushes for tax rates not seen round here since JIMMY CARTER

LOL!

they're now the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH

you really gotta be a FRINGE if you're not in line with THAT coalition

party on, patton

take that BRIDGE
 
TurtleDude said:
you don't get it do you

corporations are not created with tax payer money and we are not forced to deal with or fund corporations
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but yet, people such as yourself willingly hand billions of corporate welfare to them.
 
disneydude said:
but yet, people such as yourself willingly hand billions of corporate welfare to them.
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why do you make stuff up? can you find one ONE (1) (Uno) post of mine where I support "willingly hand billions of corporate welfare"

and I suspect what you define corporate welfare will be rather stupid
 
disneydude said:
but yet, people such as yourself willingly hand billions of corporate welfare to them.
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Why do posters try to deflect from the main issue? Disneydude?

What does corporate welfare have to do with public sector unions? I'd say that's a strawman.
 
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