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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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I would ask you why you tried to make a point about low reading scores in Wisconsin when you know that is a national problem to try to advance your own position?

Simple. Because it's a relevant point. It is a national problem because the system is broken.

For years, poor performance by students in America relative to those in other countries has been explained away as a consequence of our nationwide diversity. But what if you looked more closely, breaking down our results by state and searching not for an average, but for excellence? . . . We’ve known for some time how this story ends nationwide: only 6 percent of U.S. students perform at the advanced-proficiency level in math, a share that lags behind kids in some 30 other countries, from the United Kingdom to Taiwan.

But what happens when we break down the results? Do any individual U.S. states wind up near the top? . . . Incredibly, no. Even if we treat each state as its own country, not a single one makes it into the top dozen contenders on the list. The best performer is Massachusetts, ringing in at No. 17. Minnesota also makes it into the upper-middle tier, followed by Vermont, New Jersey, and Washington. And down it goes from there, all the way to Mississippi, whose students—by this measure at least—might as well be attending school in Thailand or Serbia.

Your Child Left Behind - Magazine - The Atlantic

Pathetic. The most powerful country in the world, the largest economy in the world, and we can't teach our kids? We should be happy that Wisconsin ranks toward the top (if they even do...I have no idea) across the country when 2/3 of their 8th graders aren't even proficient in reading?
 
Simple. Because it's a relevant point. It is a national problem because the system is broken.

While an important issue, it has absolutely nothing to do with the union busting happening in Wisconsin.



Your Child Left Behind - Magazine - The Atlantic

Pathetic. The most powerful country in the world, the largest economy in the world, and we can't teach our kids? We should be happy that Wisconsin ranks toward the top (if they even do...I have no idea) across the country when 2/3 of their 8th graders aren't even proficient in reading?

I agree it is pathetic, and as your article points out the scores are the lowest in Mississippi where there is no collective bargaining and the highest scores from Massachusetts where there is collective bargaining. That is interesting. Also agree with your authors that W's No child Left Behind Program has been a failure, but this has nothing to do with busting the public workers union in Wisconsin
 
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It is a national problem because the system is broken.

IF that is true (and I do not believe it is) then you obviously favor a NATIONAL EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM to remedy this NATIONAL PROBLEM. Right?
 
CU was about free speech. That decision benefitted both big business and big unions. But of course, your statement only proves that this all a power-grub. It has nothing to do with violating people's rights.

Even if you are right - and I strongly can say you are not right - look at the strategy now. Destroy the unions. So what are we left with? Corporate America taking us on the Road to Serfdom.
 
Haymarket, are you a Democrat operative that supports the Democrat agenda of spending in the name of compassion that always keeps people dependent and thus Democrats in power? Too bad there are so many gullible people who buy that agenda.

No.

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While an important issue, it has absolutely nothing to do with the union busting happening in Wisconsin.

Prove-it-prove-it-prove-it-prove-it. Proved it and your answer is that it has absolutely nothing to do with the union busting happening in Wisconsin. :rofl Nice!
 
Even if you are right - and I strongly can say you are not right - look at the strategy now. Destroy the unions. So what are we left with? Corporate America taking us on the Road to Serfdom.

So, 88.1% of workers in the United States are on the road to serfdom? Oh, pullleeeeeze.
 
Prove-it-prove-it-prove-it-prove-it. Proved it and your answer is that it has absolutely nothing to do with the union busting happening in Wisconsin. :rofl Nice!

Ha! You are funny! You've already proven it has nothing to do with what's happening in Wisconsin, except maybe the info you highlighted that showed scores were lower in Mississippi where there is no collective bargaining and higher scores in Massachusetts where there is collective bargaining. Is that what you are referring to?
 
look at the strategy now. Destroy the unions. So what are we left with? Corporate America taking us on the Road to Serfdom.

The new census data backs that up -

"The gap between the wealthiest Americans and middle- and working-class Americans has more than tripled in the past three decades, according to a June 25 report by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

New data show that the gaps in after-tax income between the richest 1 percent of Americans and the middle and poorest parts of the population in 2007 was the highest it's been in 80 years, while the share of income going to the middle one-fifth of Americans shrank to its lowest level ever.

The CBPP report attributes the widening of this gap partly to Bush Administration tax cuts, which primarily benefited the wealthy. Of the $1.7 trillion in tax cuts taxpayers received through 2008, high-income households received by far the largest -- not only in amount but also as a percentage of income -- which shifted the concentration of after-tax income toward the top of the spectrum."
Income Gap Between Rich and Poor Is Highest in Decades, Data Show
 
So, 88.1% of workers in the United States are on the road to serfdom? Oh, pullleeeeeze.

Serfdom? Well, maybe not, but conditions are problematic. As noted above, the gap is growing. And if we have to match wages and benefits of third world countries to keep business here, well, . . . do we really want that?
 
The new census data backs that up -

"The gap between the wealthiest Americans and middle- and working-class Americans has more than tripled in the past three decades, according to a June 25 report by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

New data show that the gaps in after-tax income between the richest 1 percent of Americans and the middle and poorest parts of the population in 2007 was the highest it's been in 80 years, while the share of income going to the middle one-fifth of Americans shrank to its lowest level ever.

The CBPP report attributes the widening of this gap partly to Bush Administration tax cuts, which primarily benefited the wealthy. Of the $1.7 trillion in tax cuts taxpayers received through 2008, high-income households received by far the largest -- not only in amount but also as a percentage of income -- which shifted the concentration of after-tax income toward the top of the spectrum."
Income Gap Between Rich and Poor Is Highest in Decades, Data Show

So what? How did a rich person make a poor person poorer. Your union buddies are doing their best to keep people dependent and taking away incentive. What is it exactly that keeps people poor and dependent if not unions and liberalism?
 
Even if you are right - and I strongly can say you are not right - look at the strategy now. Destroy the unions. So what are we left with? Corporate America taking us on the Road to Serfdom.

Do you even realize these union laws only exist in a handful of states?

You should really the Road to Serfdom. It'll do you some good.
 

That was Dick Cheney's pat answer as well.


How did a rich person make a poor person poorer.

By tax and economic policies that favor the rich and penalize the middle class such as what is happening in Wisconsin today.
 
Catawba;1059316705]That was Dick Cheney's pat answer as well.

If so, good answer and one that all Americans should give.


By tax and economic policies that favor the rich and penalize the middle class such as what is happening in Wisconsin today.[/QUOTE]

47% of the people, all under 50,000 per year pay no Federal Income taxes so where is favoring of the rich. You keep ignoring reality.

The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.


Tell me what you believe the rich should pay in taxes since obviously 38% of all taxes isn't enough and that is just Federal Income Taxes.
 
That was Dick Cheney's pat answer as well.




By tax and economic policies that favor the rich and penalize the middle class such as what is happening in Wisconsin today.

Thank you progressives! Progressives are no better at protecting the economic rights of the common man. Progressives very much support tax breaks, favorable tariffs, and subsidies for corporation. They just support a different kind of corporation. Instead of supporting such cozy governmental preferences for Shell, Walmart, and Microsoft, they support said benefits for GE and Apple (and usually justified by some grand social scheme to alleviate poverty or curb climate change).
 
Tell me what you believe the rich should pay in taxes

A return to the progressive taxes that served the country so well during the 50 year period when we had the best economy with the least debt for the most Americans.
 
A return to the progressive taxes that served the country so well during the 50 year period when we had the best economy with the least debt for the most Americans.

Correlations are not causations. Read your history more carefully.
 
Thank you progressives! Progressives are no better at protecting the economic rights of the common man. Progressives very much support tax breaks, favorable tariffs, and subsidies for corporation. They just support a different kind of corporation. Instead of supporting such cozy governmental preferences for Shell, Walmart, and Microsoft, they support said benefits for GE and Apple (and usually justified by some grand social scheme to alleviate poverty or curb climate change).

Yeah, that's probably why most of the big corporate money went to the GOP candidates in 2010, right?
 
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Thank you progressives! Progressives are no better at protecting the economic rights of the common man. Progressives very much support tax breaks, favorable tariffs, and subsidies for corporation. They just support a different kind of corporation. Instead of supporting such cozy governmental preferences for Shell, Walmart, and Microsoft, they support said benefits for GE and Apple (and usually justified by some grand social scheme to alleviate poverty or curb climate change).

:applaud :applaud :applaud :applaud
 
Yeah, that's probably why all the big corporate money went to the GOP candidates in 2010, right?

Actually, no they did not. Though the majority probably did go to the republicans, we're probably talking about a 51% or 52% majority. Check out OpenSecrets.org and you'll see I'm right. Republican politicians are not the only ones with their hands out. Heck, even beloved Teddy R. was guilty of such political bribery and it was the exposure of the bribes that he had taken which fueled him to act accordingly.
 
Yeah, that's probably why all the big corporate money went to the GOP candidates in 2010, right?

And the unions gave loads of money to Obama and they want their money's worth now.
 
Correlations are not causations. Read your history more carefully.

I have read the history, and I lived through it. Where is the causation, or even a correlation, that shows tax cuts to the wealthy have improved our economy since they were slashed 30 years ago?
 
Actually, no they did not. Though the majority probably did go to the republicans, we're probably talking about a 51% or 52% majority. Check out OpenSecrets.org and you'll see I'm right. Republican politicians are not the only ones with their hands out. Heck, even beloved Teddy R. was guilty of such political bribery and it was the exposure of the bribes that he had taken which fueled him to act accordingly.

Out of the top ten political donors in 2010, seven were corporate donors for conservatives and three were union donors for democrats. Remove the Unions from the picture and where does that leave us?
 
Yeah, that's probably why most of the big corporate money went to the GOP candidates in 2010, right?

Did those companies force their employees to donate part of their paychecks to Republican candidates?
 
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