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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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haymarket said:
Written by someone who would know having been on the receiving of many a bitch slap right here on these pages.
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Cease this behavior or you will be "bitch-slapped" to a thread ban.
 
haymarket said:
You had your answer earlier in the day. The reality is that you do not understand the difference between levels of government and separation of powers. The fact that you do not accept it is your problem. Not mine.

And you really need to go back and read. It was your buddy Turtle who brought up the bitch slapping. Of course, recognizing a fellow True Believer prostrating himself before the same altar as you do, you eagerly jump to his defense. No surprise there.

Its funny when you righties stretch logic and reason and jump from A to Z without so much as a cute song from furry Elmo in the middle. This is what you do time after time in thread after thread in post after post regardless of the topic. And you do it again now.

You just don't get it. States have certain powers. The federal government has certain powers. They are not the same. They do not have to be the same. One does not negate the other.

So now you can give us all a quote from FDR.
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Nice dodge, I know the difference quite well and you didn't answer the question. States have certain power but there is absolutely nothing to prevent the President and Congress to give Federal Public unions full collective bargaining rights but haven't done so because it makes no sense and even though the Federal Govt. doesn't have to balance their budget and can print money. Yet for some reason you believe it is ok for the states to do what the Federal Govt has chosen not to do. That is liberal logic?
 
Conservative said:
Nice dodge, I know the difference quite well and you didn't answer the question. States have certain power but there is absolutely nothing to prevent the President and Congress to give Federal Public unions full collective bargaining rights but haven't done so because it makes no sense and even though the Federal Govt. doesn't have to balance their budget and can print money. Yet for some reason you believe it is ok for the states to do what the Federal Govt has chosen not to do. That is liberal logic?
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I deal with reality.
You seem to be stuck in What If or Why Not Land.

You claim that you know the difference and that you understand both federalism and the separation of powers. Anyone with that understanding knows that is the end of it and the question is answered.
 
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haymarket said:
I deal with reality.
You seem to be stuck in What If or Why Not Land.

You claim that you know the difference and that you understand both federalism and the separation of powers. Anyone with that understanding knows that is the end of it and the question is answered.
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Your version of reality that is. You cannot explain why public union collective bargaining is good for states who are required to balance their budgets but not for the Federal Govt. that can print money and run up a debt. There is no reality in that nor is there any logic and common sense. States can do it so can the Federal Govt, but the Federal Govt. has chosen not to do it.
 
Conservative said:
Your version of reality that is. You cannot explain why public union collective bargaining is good for states who are required to balance their budgets but not for the Federal Govt. that can print money and run up a debt. There is no reality in that nor is there any logic and common sense. States can do it so can the Federal Govt, but the Federal Govt. has chosen not to do it.
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public unions are good for the democratic party and that is where your inquiry can end. public sector unions funnel tax dollars to the dem party and that is why operatives of the dem party support them
 
MaggieD said:
Those with advanced degrees were figured in the average,
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Correct, that is what I said.

but the average does not reflect the average of those teachers with advanced degrees -- it reflects the average of all teachers...advanced degree or no.
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I never said that. My point was that you cannot directly compare average income earned in the private sector by some one with just a bachelors degree with the Wisconsin educators average income which includes those with Bachelors, Masters and Doctorate degrees.



Here's something else I found: Wisconsin Myths and Facts - Matthew Shaffer - National Review Online

Give it up, Catawba. Just give it up.
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Are we trading winger links now????

Here's one for you:

Class War In Wisconsin
 
TurtleDude said:
public unions are good for the democratic party and that is where your inquiry can end. public sector unions funnel tax dollars to the dem party and that is why operatives of the dem party support them
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Yep, no doubt about it although total hypocrits but as you say it never is about benefiting the people but instead benefiting the leadership by keeping people dependent.
 
Conservative said:
Yep, no doubt about it although total hypocrits but as you say it never is about benefiting the people but instead benefiting the leadership by keeping people dependent.
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every leftwing scheme is touted as a means to "help the poor" and "working people" when in reality it is to get rich dems elected so they can become richer and keep their voters dependent on them
 
Red Crow said:
$5,000 including the BAD ONES and the no good for nothing educators, why?? because they have to earn the same wages, why?? because they belong to the union. How does this help our children??? Weed out the bad ones or fire them, but NO.... you can't fire them because they belong to the union.
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There are many mechanisms to get rid of bad teachers, not so many to get rid of bad corporations that rob billions of pensioners their retirement funds. Please list your evidence of bad teachers in Wisconsin.
 
Catawba said:
There are many mechanisms to get rid of bad teachers, not so many to get rid of bad corporations that rob billions of pensioners their retirement funds. Please list your evidence of bad teachers in Wisconsin.
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I am not forced to pay for bad corporations unless its the government bailing them out

if a corporation robbed people that is a felony and 93 Obama appointed Federal prosecutors and a few thousand of their assistants can file charges
 
Catawba said:
There are many mechanisms to get rid of bad teachers, not so many to get rid of bad corporations that rob billions of pensioners their retirement funds. Please list your evidence of bad teachers in Wisconsin.
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Hell will freeze over before you get that.

Its sad when you have to explain reality to somebody time after time and they still keep harping on the same one note.
 
haymarket said:
Hell will freeze over before you get that.

Its sad when you have to explain reality to somebody time after time and they still keep harping on the same one note.
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reality being why the democratic party is right and anyone who wants to cut the power of that party to suck up tax dollars through its organ known as the teachers' unions is wrong?
 
haymarket said:
Hell will freeze over before you get that.

Its sad when you have to explain reality to somebody time after time and they still keep harping on the same one note.
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Haymarket, are you a Democrat operative that supports the Democrat agenda of spending in the name of compassion that always keeps people dependent and thus Democrats in power? Too bad there are so many gullible people who buy that agenda.
 
TurtleDude said:
I am not forced to pay for bad corporations unless its the government bailing them out

if a corporation robbed people that is a felony and 93 Obama appointed Federal prosecutors and a few thousand of their assistants can file charges
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Billions of pensioners are still out of their life savings aren't they? Good luck with you class war next November dude! :sun
 
Catawba said:
Billions of pensioners are still out of their life savings aren't they? Good luck with you class war next November dude! :sun
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they were robbed?
 
Catawba said:
Billions of pensioners are still out of their life savings aren't they? Good luck with you class war next November dude! :sun
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billions? LOL, just a little exaggeration, not surprising.
 
Conservative said:
billions? LOL, just a little exaggeration, not surprising.
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when appealing to the many with emotobabbling, exaggeration is needed

night all
 
Conservative said:
Haymarket, are you a Democrat operative that supports the Democrat agenda of spending in the name of compassion that always keeps people dependent and thus Democrats in power? Too bad there are so many gullible people who buy that agenda.
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An operative? Christ, you make it sound like there is that much skill involved with these posts.
 
haymarket said:
Written by someone who would know having been on the receiving of many a bitch slap right here on these pages.
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By you?
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haymarket said:
I deal with reality.
You seem to be stuck in What If or Why Not Land.

You claim that you know the difference and that you understand both federalism and the separation of powers. Anyone with that understanding knows that is the end of it and the question is answered.
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So you mean it is ok for a democrat to take away bargaining power with a wage freeze but what is going on in Wisconsin is bad because it is the GOP.
 
ptif219 said:
How about this?

Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can
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PT, that is a bombshell. And before someone claims it's some right-winger link, here's the link to the government study: http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/main2009/2010458.pdf

You'll notice that, as your link's name implies, 66% of Wisconsin 8th Graders read at a basic level or below....that's as compared to the 32% that are rated proficient.

Obviously, this can't be the fault of teachers???
 
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