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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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History begs to differ:

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rates have nothing to do with how progressive the tax burden is

that really demonstrates a rather shocking lack of understanding on your point

The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

note what share of the income tax the top 1 percent paid
 
I do not worship gods.

I do not believe that a person is infallible. Even the Great and Glorious FDR was capable of one mistake in his twelve years. And that was his stance on public employee unions.
I am not conviced FDR was against them. Here is the quote that going around the net these day:

“It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”

I don't find that statement conclusive proof he was against public unions.
 
I do not worship gods.

I do not believe that a person is infallible. Even the Great and Glorious FDR was capable of one mistake in his twelve years. And that was his stance on public employee unions.

So violating the rights of Japanese Americans by forcing them into internment camps was okay in your book?
 
I do not worship gods.

I do not believe that a person is infallible. Even the Great and Glorious FDR was capable of one mistake in his twelve years. And that was his stance on public employee unions.

Not even you can defend public unions as I have seen here on this thread. Who pays the public union employees and who do the union leaders bargain with?
 
and neither did his daughter.

tax the living crap out of it.

your envy and hatred comes to the surface

why-he already paid lots of taxes while accumulating it

where do you get off wanting the government to confiscate the property that was legally earned?
 
That's BS, the top marginal rate when JFK became President was 91%. The top 1% pay more because the wealth has shifted to their favor since Reagan became president. Who are you kidding? The middle class is shink ing while the wealthy get richer, were're becoming a nation of oligarchs - the Koch Bros. for example.

I love the people who cannot understand the difference between top marginal rates (which has NOTHING to do with how progressive the tax system is) versus how much of the tax burden the top pays (which is the most important factor)
 
your envy and hatred comes to the surface

why-he already paid lots of taxes while accumulating it

where do you get off wanting the government to confiscate the property that was legally earned?

Are you saying you want his heirs to avoid paying their legal taxes?
 
This isn't about the increase in personal contributions to retirement and healthcare.

The Unions already agreed to that and have said so multiple times.

This is NOTHING but Union busting. Period. It's stripping workers' rights away from them and nothing more.

How can you not get that? Walker won't listen to anyone except his cheerleaders. Even some of his Republicans have said, "Let's take out this part of the bill and get back to work." And he refuses.

It's because - like a lot of Republicans - he doesn't believe that work should be paid for.

He also believe that he should have the right to sell off government property to anyone for any price he sees fit.

It's corruption. It's taking money away from working people so the rich can get richer and nothing more.

He strips rights from middle class workers - teachers, policemen & women, fire fighters, EMTs - and will sell public utilities to rich, private, investors (that taxpayers built and paid for) for less than they're worth.

That's what this bill is about. It's not about teachers not accepting pay freezes or paying more for healthcare. If it were, this wouldn't have become news; because there would've been no controversy - because the Unions already agreed to it.

You've posted how much you make. You believe one day, apparently, that you'll be one of the uberwealthy who will benefit from these policies. Hate to tell you, but it ain't gonna happen. Odds are very against you rising above your parents' station in this country.

You are calling these people "fat cats" when they make about $48,000 a year. Nationwide, public employees with college degrees make about $51,000. Walker, himself, makes more than twice that - but I don't see him offering up his salary.

He just wants to take it away from working people.

Wrong the unions and teachers are taking it from working people, the taxpayers

http://conservativedatingsite.com/b...5-percent-more-than-private-sector-employees/
 
Not even you can defend public unions as I have seen here on this thread. Who pays the public union employees and who do the union leaders bargain with?

Who ever is on the other side of the bargaining table.
 
Are you saying you want his heirs to avoid paying their legal taxes?

what I am saying is that the death tax ought to be abolished
 
I love the people who cannot understand the difference between top marginal rates (which has NOTHING to do with how progressive the tax system is) versus how much of the tax burden the top pays (which is the most important factor)

enlighten us with the facts then Turtle.

Please do.

We wait in great anticipation of the facts and figures from you.
 
I am not conviced FDR was against them. Here is the quote that going around the net these day:

“It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”

I don't find that statement conclusive proof he was against public unions.

I'm pretty sure George Meany, the first president of the AFL-CIO, said that.

FDR wrote: “Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relations and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government….The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.....a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to obstruct the operations of government until their demands are satisfied. Such action looking toward the paralysis of government by those who have sworn to support it is unthinkable and intolerable.”
 
The IRS doesn't. Too bad you don't spend more time doing research before posting and making dumbass statements.

From the IRS


The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing on their earnings of 50,000/year or less and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.

I would post the link but you don't pay any attention to links or anything else that refutes your opinions.
"The Office of Tax Analysis of the United States Department of the Treasury summarized the (1981) tax changes as follows[2]:

phased-in 23% cut in individual tax rates over 3 years; top rate dropped from 70% to 50%

accelerated depreciation deductions; replaced depreciation system with ACRS

indexed individual income tax parameters (beginning in 1985)

created 10% exclusion on income for two-earner married couples ($3,000 cap)

phased-in increase in estate tax exemption from $175,625 to $600,000 in 1987

reduced Windfall Profit taxes

allowed all working taxpayers to establish IRAs

expanded provisions for employee stock ownership plans (ESOPs)

replaced $200 interest exclusion with 15% net interest exclusion ($900 cap) (begin in 1985)"

Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So your position is that 38% > 70%? And that's not even counting all the other tax cuts provided to the wealthy.
 
We may not all pay income tax - but you pay taxes. Lots of them, as Turtledude pointed out.

So we are talking about unions and you want to bring up taxes that have nothing to do with paying teachers. I get it you have nothing.
 
enlighten us with the facts then Turtle.

Please do.

We wait in great anticipation of the facts and figures from you.

the figures have been posted here

the top 5% pay more of the FIT burden this decade than in any time in history

the top one percent (it went down slightly with the 08 recession)pay about 40% of the FIT-which is the most the top 1 percent has paid

(since the FIT applied to "everyone" (LOL)

Pbrauer's comment was idiotic
 
from Turtle

those who go into the teaching major are generally the bottom of the barrel academically.

Do you think you are the equal to the Pope in the vatican who can pontificate and his word is accepted as gospel Truth? So lets see you back up your mouth with the facts.

YOU CANNOT DO IT.
 
the figures have been posted here

the top 5% pay more of the FIT burden this decade than in any time in history

the top one percent (it went down slightly with the 08 recession)pay about 40% of the FIT-which is the most the top 1 percent has paid

(since the FIT applied to "everyone" (LOL)

Pbrauer's comment was idiotic

Those figures say NOTHING about the supposed difference between the 91% tax rated cited by many and your claim of a far different effective rate that was actually paid. YOU HAVE NEVER PRESENTED ANYTHING TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM.

NEVER.

So can you do it now for all of us to see or is this just another case of your mouth writing checks that the rest of you cannot cash with actual evidence?

Silly question - I know. You have never been able to do it and will not be able to do it now.
 
what I am saying is that the death tax ought to be abolished

There is no death tax and you yourself admitted it in the ECONOMICS section. There is instead an ESTATE TAX on rich estates inherited by others.
 
from Turtle



Do you think you are the equal to the Pope in the vatican who can pontificate and his word is accepted as gospel Truth? So lets see you back up your mouth with the facts.

YOU CANNOT DO IT.


so can you deny this after I posted citations to a study showing how many teachers are at the bottom of the classes

I realize it must hurt but smart people generally dont become public school teachers


Why aren't our teachers the best and the brightest? - From Our Inbox - MiamiHerald.com



So why do top U.S. college students have so little interest in teaching careers compared with their counterparts in the world's best-performing nations

Read more: Why aren't our teachers the best and the brightest? - From Our Inbox - MiamiHerald.com
 
Because Paris Hilton will benefit from it. The dead person shouldn't give a ****. They're dead.

It's lazy children like Paris Hilton who benefit from it. Remeber, spouses don't ever pay it. Only children raised with gigantic silver spoons in their mouths pay it.

The government has no right to that money the deceased paid the taxes before he died. That is double taxation
 
There is no death tax and you yourself admitted it in the ECONOMICS section. There is instead an ESTATE TAX on rich estates inherited by others.

its a death tax and millions call it that

and you lie about what i said
 
The government has no right to that money the deceased paid the taxes before he died. That is double taxation


it appeals to the envious
 
Who ever is on the other side of the bargaining table.

You mean the representatives that the unions bought? Why aren't public service union pay and benefits put to a vote of the people that pay their salaries? What are you afraid of?
 
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