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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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This isn't about the increase in personal contributions to retirement and healthcare.

The Unions already agreed to that and have said so multiple times.

This is NOTHING but Union busting. Period. It's stripping workers' rights away from them and nothing more.

How can you not get that? Walker won't listen to anyone except his cheerleaders. Even some of his Republicans have said, "Let's take out this part of the bill and get back to work." And he refuses.

It's because - like a lot of Republicans - he doesn't believe that work should be paid for.

He also believe that he should have the right to sell off government property to anyone for any price he sees fit.

It's corruption. It's taking money away from working people so the rich can get richer and nothing more.

He strips rights from middle class workers - teachers, policemen & women, fire fighters, EMTs - and will sell public utilities to rich, private, investors (that taxpayers built and paid for) for less than they're worth.

That's what this bill is about. It's not about teachers not accepting pay freezes or paying more for healthcare. If it were, this wouldn't have become news; because there would've been no controversy - because the Unions already agreed to it.

You've posted how much you make. You believe one day, apparently, that you'll be one of the uberwealthy who will benefit from these policies. Hate to tell you, but it ain't gonna happen. Odds are very against you rising above your parents' station in this country.

You are calling these people "fat cats" when they make about $48,000 a year. Nationwide, public employees with college degrees make about $51,000. Walker, himself, makes more than twice that - but I don't see him offering up his salary.

He just wants to take it away from working people.

Oh, booo hoooo. What he's stripping away? Federal workers don't even have. Give me a break. It's a way that Democratic politicians have kept themselves in office....on the backs of the other 88.1% of workers in this country.
 
This isn't about the increase in personal contributions to retirement and healthcare.

The Unions already agreed to that and have said so multiple times.

This is NOTHING but Union busting. Period. It's stripping workers' rights away from them and nothing more.

How can you not get that? Walker won't listen to anyone except his cheerleaders. Even some of his Republicans have said, "Let's take out this part of the bill and get back to work." And he refuses.

It's because - like a lot of Republicans - he doesn't believe that work should be paid for.

He also believe that he should have the right to sell off government property to anyone for any price he sees fit.

It's corruption. It's taking money away from working people so the rich can get richer and nothing more.

He strips rights from middle class workers - teachers, policemen & women, fire fighters, EMTs - and will sell public utilities to rich, private, investors (that taxpayers built and paid for) for less than they're worth.

That's what this bill is about. It's not about teachers not accepting pay freezes or paying more for healthcare. If it were, this wouldn't have become news; because there would've been no controversy - because the Unions already agreed to it.

You've posted how much you make. You believe one day, apparently, that you'll be one of the uberwealthy who will benefit from these policies. Hate to tell you, but it ain't gonna happen. Odds are very against you rising above your parents' station in this country.

You are calling these people "fat cats" when they make about $48,000 a year. Nationwide, public employees with college degrees make about $51,000. Walker, himself, makes more than twice that - but I don't see him offering up his salary.

He just wants to take it away from working people.

how do the rich get richer by busting public unions unless you admit that the rich are paying almost all the taxes that fund the teachers unions.


this is not a case where private unions are busted so scrooge McBucks can pay his 1000000 workers minimum wage rather than union rates

this is about all the taxpayers not having to fund say the pensions at a 99 percent rate when Pub Sector unions in other states contribute 11% of their pay rather than less than one percent as is the case in the state in question

its so the taxpayers don't have people they pay bargaining against the taxpayers interest
 
Perhaps you could say it's an assault on 11.9% of all working people!!!! Again, cry me a river.

Never belonged to a union in my life. I've done very well in my life. Ya' know why? Because I was rewarded on my merits. I negotiated my own salary, my own benefits. And ya' know what else? It didn't cost the taxpayers a freakin' dime.

You're right. **** teachers. Who needs 'em. Screw fire fighters and cops! I'll just put out my own fires and do my own murder investigations.

Those people who work shouldn't get paid. Just you. **** everybody else.
 
You're right. **** teachers. Who needs 'em. Screw fire fighters and cops! I'll just put out my own fires and do my own murder investigations.

Those people who work shouldn't get paid. Just you. **** everybody else.

FilmFestGuy! I'm surprised. Less coffee. More brain.
 
We may not all pay income tax - but you pay taxes. Lots of them, as Turtledude pointed out.

however, paying taxes that do not fund the services the FIT funds means that if you are not paying FIT you aren't carrying your fair share especially if you use those services. most of those other taxes are not general fund taxes-for example gasoline taxes go to roads, property taxes local schools, SS payments SS (LOL)
 
**** the "death tax". It's the Paris Hilton Life Support Benefit (if you can give it a cutesy name, I can too).

And OF COURSE the top 1% pay the most in the interitance tax. Because they're the only ones affected by it because they're the only ones who have enough to have the tax levied against them.

DUH!


why did the politicians set it up so only a small group pays it

because if they had applied it to everyone they probably would have been shot

why do you people cite Paris Hilton rather than the 75 percent of those who die with a taxable estate who earned it as first generation millionaires?
 
Perhaps you could say it's an assault on 11.9% of all working people!!!! Again, cry me a river.

Never belonged to a union in my life. I've done very well in my life. Ya' know why? Because I was rewarded on my merits. I negotiated my own salary, my own benefits. And ya' know what else? It didn't cost the taxpayers a freakin' dime.

one of my best friends back 20 years ago was a railroad engineer--got the job after doing three tours in the nam with the GBs.
gung ho guy-big achiever, two silver stars-etc. so he takes that attitude to his train. pretty soon all the old timers tell him to chill out, back it down a few notches because he was making them look bad. after a couple years he realized that working harder and smarter didnt get him any advantages. He hurt his back in a wreck and got a big settlement and found another line of work because after breaking his back the constant vibrations on a train at him up he told me he'd never work in a union shop again and he never did
 
I said what I meant and meant what I said. the rich most of the actually tax dollars in this country. The top 5% pay more federal income taxes than the bottom 95% and more death confiscation taxes (indeed the top 1 percent pay more DC taxes than the bottom 99%)

as to the taxes that fund teachers in the public sector-that depends on how the states fund them

After the loopholes, deductions and tax breaks for the wealthy, our tax system is no longer progressive.
 
one of my best friends back 20 years ago was a railroad engineer--got the job after doing three tours in the nam with the GBs.
gung ho guy-big achiever, two silver stars-etc. so he takes that attitude to his train. pretty soon all the old timers tell him to chill out, back it down a few notches because he was making them look bad. after a couple years he realized that working harder and smarter didnt get him any advantages. He hurt his back in a wreck and got a big settlement and found another line of work because after breaking his back the constant vibrations on a train at him up he told me he'd never work in a union shop again and he never did

Oh, yeah. My mom was a member of a union. She was on piece work. If she made too many pieces, the union steward came and had a Come to Jesus with her. I get it.

Unions are fabulous at rewarding mediocrity.
 
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why did the politicians set it up so only a small group pays it

because if they had applied it to everyone they probably would have been shot

why do you people cite Paris Hilton rather than the 75 percent of those who die with a taxable estate who earned it as first generation millionaires?

Because Paris Hilton will benefit from it. The dead person shouldn't give a ****. They're dead.

It's lazy children like Paris Hilton who benefit from it. Remeber, spouses don't ever pay it. Only children raised with gigantic silver spoons in their mouths pay it.
 
After the loopholes, deductions and tax breaks for the wealthy, our tax system is no longer progressive.

actually you are wrong

the federal income tax structure is more progressive now than at any time in history

the top 1 percent pay more of the tax burden than at any time

40 percent
 
Because Paris Hilton will benefit from it. The dead person shouldn't give a ****. They're dead.

It's lazy children like Paris Hilton who benefit from it. Remeber, spouses don't ever pay it. Only children raised with gigantic silver spoons in their mouths pay it.

why should YOU benefit for what HER father earned

your envy is obvious
 
FilmFestGuy! I'm surprised. Less coffee. More brain.

Look, I'm not a fan of Teachers Unions. I know that sounds weird. I think they contribute (along with some really bad public policies) to our poor education system.

However, I find it repulsive that we are taking the economic downturn out on them (and other public workers) instead of taking it out on the people who caused it; all of whom are skating away freely while working people attack other working people.

And everyone here just completely ignores the fact that Walker has put his plan to sell public property (funded by taxpayers) off to anyone he wants at any price he wants.

He's corrupt and he hates working people. I'm just surprised that working people seem to want to take everything away from other working people instead of trying to improve their own benefits to match those of public workers.

There was a time when a LOT of workers had good benefits. But those have all largely been taken away in the name of even more wealth for people who are already so wealthy they couldn't possibly spend it all. Average wages for working people have stagnated for more than a decade; but productivity has risen; profits have risen - which means we are all working harder and not seeing the fruits of our labor.

We've become complacent and decided that we don't deserve what we earn for our work. We have let certain classes take good-paying jobs and benefits away from hard-working people.

This was once a country that held the promise that if you worked hard, you would do better than your parents did. No more. Now, you should consider yourself lucky to stay even with them and not fall behind.

Again: housing costs 1970 to present have risen more than twice the rate of wages. Health care has risen 5 times wages since 1970.

If productivity and profits are up - but wages are stagnant - it means that we're not getting paid for our work anymore.

Teachers are not the reason this economy fell apart. Neither are cops, janitors, that old bitty at the BMV, or fire fighters.

This economy fell apart due to ruthless people who abhor the middle class and are trying to further destroy it with bills like this.

The only way to keep capitalism afloat is to keep the masses comfortable. That's the problem with today's capitalists. They hate the middle class so much that they're beginning to bury them. The results will eventually not be pretty. I know it will sound weird to you, but I like capitalism.

I like what I do for a living and I'm living more comfortably than I ever have. Unlike some people, though, I realize that it was more than just my hard work to get where I am. It was my education and it was a government system that protects my physical and intellectual property. I don't mind paying for those services and I don't mind the people who provide them making a decent living.
 
the only hate i see comes from rich democrats who loathe the thought of the poor becoming less dependent on the government or the middle class becoming wealthy.

half of my closest friends(club) are millionaires, the other half are mostly blue collar friends from the gun and sportsmens club. no one rich I know hate the middle class and none of my hourly wages buddies think that either. what both groups tend to dislike are rich libs who whine about the plight of the poor while scheming to keep them that way
 
why should YOU benefit for what HER father earned

your envy is obvious

I wouldn't benefit **** from it. Other than it can keep my middle class taxes at a rate that can keep our government working. Because I (and the thousands of others whose incomes would combine with mine to make an equal amount to the wealth she would inherit) will spend a higher percentage of our income than she will and as a result, will produce more jobs that pay good middle class wages and create a thriving economy.

Here's the rub: She didn't do jack **** for it either - but she'll still benefit from the tax if the economy is thriving and the remainder of her inheritance continues to grow thanks to rising market.

Simply put: when Clinton raised taxes, we were told by your types that the economy was going to collapse and the rich would "suffer". Well, they didn't suffer because we had a thriving middle class who raised the incomes of the rich by purchasing their products. What's good for the rich is NOT good for the middle class; but what is good for the middle class is good for the rich.
 
I think Conservative was arguing that even someone as pro-union as FDR understood the inevitable problems that come with allowing public unions. It isn't so much about what he thinks of FDR as much as FDR, arguably the most pro-union president the US has ever had, identifying that unions have no place in the public sector.

Outstanding response, thank you, it was exactly right.
 
So your plan is cut the working man back to third world wages so we can compete??? If you think "luring" companies to your area over another is important than raise taxes on everyone to pay for it, don't take it away from working people trying to make a living. These unfunded expenditures have much more to do with our debt than does the piddling amount we pay our teachers, firefighters and police.

Do you really believe we can become debt free on the backs of the working class?

You obviously don't have a clue as to what this issue is all about so do what liberals do, make up outrageous claims that even you know are wrong.
 
I wouldn't benefit **** from it. Other than it can keep my middle class taxes at a rate that can keep our government working. Because I (and the thousands of others whose incomes would combine with mine to make an equal amount to the wealth she would inherit) will spend a higher percentage of our income than she will and as a result, will produce more jobs that pay good middle class wages and create a thriving economy.

Here's the rub: She didn't do jack **** for it either - but she'll still benefit from the tax if the economy is thriving and the remainder of her inheritance continues to grow thanks to rising market.

Simply put: when Clinton raised taxes, we were told by your types that the economy was going to collapse and the rich would "suffer". Well, they didn't suffer because we had a thriving middle class who raised the incomes of the rich by purchasing their products. What's good for the rich is NOT good for the middle class; but what is good for the middle class is good for the rich.

you didn't do jack for what Hilton made and why should you pay less tax when he already pays income taxes far more than you and 1000 like you pay

clinton got lucky with the dot com bubble
 
actually you are wrong

the federal income tax structure is more progressive now than at any time in history

the top 1 percent pay more of the tax burden than at any time

40 percent


History begs to differ:

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There is a reason the rust belt is losing jobs to the south. Run them all down here, great! You keep running from FDR's words, don't blame you. Don't see you running away from FDR's programs which by your logic are outdated as well.

I do not worship gods.

I do not believe that a person is infallible. Even the Great and Glorious FDR was capable of one mistake in his twelve years. And that was his stance on public employee unions.
 
You obviously don't have a clue as to what this issue is all about so do what liberals do, make up outrageous claims that even you know are wrong.

Can't honestly answer my questions can you?
 
actually you are wrong

the federal income tax structure is more progressive now than at any time in history
the top 1 percent pay more of the tax burden than at any time

40 percent
That's BS, the top marginal rate when JFK became President was 91%. The top 1% pay more because the wealth has shifted to their favor since Reagan became president. Who are you kidding? The middle class is shink ing while the wealthy get richer, were're becoming a nation of oligarchs - the Koch Bros. for example.
 
History begs to differ:

Tax_Rates_v._National_Debt.png

The IRS doesn't. Too bad you don't spend more time doing research before posting and making dumbass statements.

From the IRS


The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing on their earnings of 50,000/year or less and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.

I would post the link but you don't pay any attention to links or anything else that refutes your opinions.
 
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