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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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No, because represnting its members may well legitimately include supporting a party that will support them as well. It is no different than business and wealthy putting their money into support for a candidate or party. No different at all.

Thats crap. They should support those that put forward an agenda. Not blindly support one party
 

You claim that you were at one time a shop steward (yet you don’t know where, or what your craft was at the time:roll:) and you still make the claim that union dues gets used for political purposes? I suggest you use goggle. Here are the key words …. Union Dues + Political Purposes
 
Apparently, only the people that would not be fond of a one party regime in this country.

A one party system is inevitable. The big question is who will it be.
 
It is silly to point out that your views are irrelevant because YOU are impotent to do anything about them not being on the US Supreme Court?

okay.

this is funny coming from a guy who constantly brays about how everyone has a valid opinion about the state of the nation
 
A one party system is inevitable. The big question is who will it be.

I call BS on that

as long as there are net tax payers being parasatized by net tax consumers there will be two parties

ie the party that represents the creators of wealth opposing the party that wants to redistribute wealth
 
I call BS on that

as long as there are net tax payers being parasatized by net tax consumers there will be two parties

ie the party that represents the creators of wealth opposing the party that wants to redistribute wealth

Not after Citizens United...it will be one party and it will be called the CORP. PARTY.:2wave:
 
Thanks for a link to the "Conservative News Service". Honestly, they probably are more reliable than Fox News but I'll pass.

You don't expect any liberal media to report that do you?
 
Thats not true. Walker wants a balanced budget which will take years and the unions do not care.,

then why won't walker take all the concessions the unions are offering? this is all about collective bargaining, not the budget.
 
You don't expect any liberal media to report that do you?

what i expect is that the media fully report what he said, and cns does not meet that challenge.
 
this is funny coming from a guy who constantly brays about how everyone has a valid opinion about the state of the nation

I have no idea what you are talking about. Use more words... especially mine since you seem to think you know what I have said.
 
We have a winner! :good_job:

your phony baloney "winner" has nothing there about corruption that relates to the Wisconsin labor unions. Nothing.

If we used such low standards of general association to indict other groups, no school child could be within 1,000 feet of a Catholic church because some priests have molested kids.
 
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The difference is union money is paid by members to represent the members. What a company does with its profits is their business

It's also paid by nonmembers :( So much for choice. Don't want to join the Union, too bad, you pay as a nonmember then. We just won't make you pay for our political activism.

Union Corruption | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation

Under Foundation-won precedent in the Supreme Court case Communication Workers v. Beck, the Court held that nonmember employees in states without Right to Work protections for its workers may still be forced to pay certain union fees as a condition of employment, but they do have the right to refrain from paying union dues spent for activities like political activism, lobbying, and member-only events.
Despite her being a nonmember, SEIU union officials continued to collect full union dues from Smith’s paycheck for 10 more months. In September 2010, Smith and SEIU union officials reached a settlement in which she received the difference of full union dues and the union fees that she is forced to pay for the union bosses’ so-called “representation
 
your phony baloney "winner" has nothing there about corruption that relates to the Wisconsin labor unions. Nothing.

If we used such low standards of general association to indict other groups, no school child could be within 1,000 feet of a Catholic church because some priests have molested kids.

I thought he was asked to show corruption in unions. He did that. Did you miss all the pages of it? Go back and look and then say Unions don't have a problem with corruption.
 
some of us actually think the constitution ought to be applied as written an intended

LOL! As interpreted by TurtleDude rather than the rule of law, right?
 
It's also paid by nonmembers :( So much for choice. Don't want to join the Union, too bad, you pay as a nonmember then. We just won't make you pay for our political activism.

Union Corruption | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation

Under Foundation-won precedent in the Supreme Court case Communication Workers v. Beck, the Court held that nonmember employees in states without Right to Work protections for its workers may still be forced to pay certain union fees as a condition of employment, but they do have the right to refrain from paying union dues spent for activities like political activism, lobbying, and member-only events.
Despite her being a nonmember, SEIU union officials continued to collect full union dues from Smith’s paycheck for 10 more months. In September 2010, Smith and SEIU union officials reached a settlement in which she received the difference of full union dues and the union fees that she is forced to pay for the union bosses’ so-called “representation

So what? They get plenty of services in return for their dues.
 
Besides the fact that almost everything you said is completely unsubstantiated?
Just Say No.

Prove anything you just said. You realize that we are far behind many countries technologically speaking and regarding infrastructure. It would be hard to say that America is on the forefront of anything right now.
You do realize government is in our lives in more ways than ever before too... don't you?

It is why businesses go overseas. Too much intrusion and theft of wealth.


How? That sounds excellent, but it was just a bunch of words grouped together with no backing.
Yeah... no backing. It took America 170-years to be the world leader... actually shorter. Freedom, Liberty, Individual Rights. We kicked the asses of those aged and all knowing nations not because we are superior individuals, but because we had a far superior system. The Free market. Now we have followed their worst examples and have 13,000,000,000,000 in debt! Most accumulated with Government Sanctioned Idiocy aimed to "help". Some help... it's destroyed.

Without government intervention like Sarbanes-Oxley, what would have been created in the private sector to avoid other Enron-like situations? A great example is the recent crash. There has been no regulation to fix derivatives trading. What has the free market done to guarantee us that our companies will not buy into falsley certified bad derivatives?
Their brains. Use common sense. If they don't have enough of it... too ****ing bad. Their CHOICE!

Sarbanes-Oxley was overkill, a costly, unnecessary burden on business.

The free market has its positives. I don't know why you think you are educated me on that. I am not anti-free market. I am, however, a realist. The free market is not perfect and without regulations, the free market will run amok. This seems to be contrary to most conservative talking points that claim that leaving the free market alone is the solution to everything. It is my opinion that leaving the free market alone is ignorant and will only lead to relapses.
The Free Market is the engine that creates jobs and wealth... and makes billions of decisions that improve lives. It is flexible as hell. Government is a 10,000 mile long supertanker... it is slow... corrupt... and doesn't look at business decisions as business people do. The 55mph speed limit was designed to save fuel during a supposed "oil crisis", and then be phased out. Took 25-years, wasted fuel and was simply idiotic.... but that's Liberal Government.

Also, nice straw man on the pollution argument. What country was I defending again? Oh wait, I wasn't. I was simply saying that without government restrictions, the free market would pollute as much as necessary to make a profit. Do you disagree?
No straw... fact.

I've never said there shouldn't be government, but it is way, way, way too intrusive. Just look at the Global Warming idiocy. Unproven, using junk science, smoke and mirrors. It's another channel being used to control lives and restrict freedoms. That's , the worst of government, that's Liberal Government.

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I thought he was asked to show corruption in unions. He did that. Did you miss all the pages of it? Go back and look and then say Unions don't have a problem with corruption.

I saw precious little that was there and NOTHING which applied to the topic of public sector unions in what we are talking about - Wisconsin.

Of course if you want to destroy an entire organization because of the wrong doing of a few - you should begin shutting down every Catholic Church in your state. And add the fundamentalist Protestant churches to that number also in fairness to a long list of swarmy and corrupt preachers and ministers. You should also try to get every Republican politician in your state to resign since a few of them have been convicted of corruption. And you should advocate abolishing corporations since some of them have seen their officers convicted of corruption.

But I suspect your feigned outrage is rather selective based on who worship with you before the same altar of right wing ideology.
 
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wrong-you suggested that business support of the parties was hugely in favor of the GOP

that was proven wrong

I corrected that. In 2010 70% of the top ten big money groups were conservative and 30% were the unions. And guess what, overwhelming support still means gave more.
 
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A one party system is inevitable. The big question is who will it be.

It was shown earlier (in this thread, I think) that without the unions it will pretty much be a level playing field.

No need for libs to get their panties in a wad. Besides, the unions aren't going anywhere. However, it would be great for the country if at least the public sector unions went away. They have plenty of protection with Civil Service Protection laws. That's what Walker is failing to get through to people.
 
LOL! As interpreted by TurtleDude rather than the rule of law, right?

actually most legal scholars admit the New deal was a rejection of the original intent as well as the existing precedent

read the various commentaries on schechter poultry etc
 
It was shown earlier (in this thread, I think) that without the unions it will pretty much be a level playing field.

No need for libs to get their panties in a wad. Besides, the unions aren't going anywhere. However, it would be great for the country if at least the public sector unions went away. They have plenty of protection with Civil Service Protection laws. That's what Walker is failing to get through to people.

agreed, public sector unions don't do anything but protect incompetence and jack up the costs to taxpayers.

prevailing wage laws and other protections of the union workers remain even if those corrupt institutions were removed. its not like all the AFSCME workers are going to get paid Min wage if that Union croaked
 
what i expect is that the media fully report what he said, and cns does not meet that challenge.

You'd expect the media would report a lot of things they don't. Unfortunately the media died in 2008.
 
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