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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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whysoserious said:
Yeah! Damn unions. How dare you raise worker's compensation, make sure conditions are safe, and promote an overall better work environment!?!?

www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefingpapers/143/bp143.pdf


So evil! They must be destroyed!
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that is rather silly

public workers are entitled to the full benefit of what ever laws are in place. why do we need public unions-all they do is drive up the costs on the taxpayers.
 
TurtleDude said:
that is rather silly

public workers are entitled to the full benefit of what ever laws are in place. why do we need public unions-all they do is drive up the costs on the taxpayers.
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Public laws? Wait, Turtle Dude, do we want public laws sticking their nose into business or do we want the private sector (unions) to handle it?

Make up your mind, man! You're right, it is silly!
 
Iron Yank said:
You have no clue what you are taliking about here, Walker and the Republican majority were elected to clean up the mess the last administration caused

I work in the private sector for a Wisconsin company & 2 years or so ago we took a 10% paycut along with suspension of 401k contributions. 40% of the work force was permanently laid off and had to find employment. Now even today with less wages my property taxes go up drastically every year mostly because of the schools. There are many people in the private sector in this state that can tell similar storys

Tell me sir then why the hell these people should have to pay for State employees cadillac Health & pension plans? when many can hardly make the payment on my house and afford there own plan? These people need to quit there damn whining and take there cut just like most others had to.

They'll get no sympathy from me and there continued childish antics trying to prevent what the majority wants and what a democratic election decided. They can keep it up if they want, There image is sinking by the day. To think they pulled the kids out of school to use as protesters for there own selfish reasons.

And to think the'yd go this far over just a small percentage increase in what they'd pay for there pension & healthcare along with less of a role for the unions. Big deal... cry me a river.
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Sounds like you are winning the race to the bottom. You should be a lot less angry than you are. You are angry because others do not want to fall as fast and as low as you? That is hardly a recipe for a successful nation built on accomplishment and progress.
 
Krhazy said:
I heard 100,000 people protested in Madison today. I didn't even know there were 100,000 in WI.

Jk. Sort of.

I see nothing improper with the general mission of teachers' unions, or unions in general. The collective bargaining these organizations facilitate is important. But of course unions are more than capable of abusing bargaining power, just as big business can. I have no idea which party involved here has abused what, as I am unfamiliar with WI policy, so I'll refrain on making any judgment on this issue at this point in time.
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They get health insurance for half the cost of a private business employee
 
Iron Yank said:
You have no clue what you are taliking about here, Walker and the Republican majority were elected to clean up the mess the last administration caused

I work in the private sector for a Wisconsin company & 2 years or so ago we took a 10% paycut along with suspension of 401k contributions. 40% of the work force was permanently laid off and had to find employment. Now even today with less wages my property taxes go up drastically every year mostly because of the schools. There are many people in the private sector in this state that can tell similar storys

Tell me sir then why the hell these people should have to pay for State employees cadillac Health & pension plans? when many can hardly make the payment on my house and afford there own plan? These people need to quit there damn whining and take there cut just like most others had to.

They'll get no sympathy from me and there continued childish antics trying to prevent what the majority wants and what a democratic election decided. They can keep it up if they want, There image is sinking by the day. To think they pulled the kids out of school to use as protesters for there own selfish reasons.

And to think the'yd go this far over just a small percentage increase in what they'd pay for there pension & healthcare along with less of a role for the unions. Big deal... cry me a river.
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I was a Union Steward at Regal Ware in in Kewaskum WI. A family owned business since before WW2. They are no longer in business
 
Krhazy said:
I heard 100,000 people protested in Madison today. I didn't even know there were 100,000 in WI.

Jk. Sort of.

I see nothing improper with the general mission of teachers' unions, or unions in general. The collective bargaining these organizations facilitate is important. But of course unions are more than capable of abusing bargaining power, just as big business can. I have no idea which party involved here has abused what, as I am unfamiliar with WI policy, so I'll refrain on making any judgment on this issue at this point in time.
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Where did you hear that?

Annenberg Digital News
In addition to the estimated 25,000 protestors gathered in Madison, Wisconsin, about 3,800 public employees have converged on the statehouse in Columbus Ohio, according to Bloomberg.
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whysoserious said:
Public laws? Wait, Turtle Dude, do we want public laws sticking their nose into business or do we want the private sector (unions) to handle it?

Make up your mind, man! You're right, it is silly!
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We are talking government employees not private business
 
haymarket said:
Sounds like you are winning the race to the bottom. You should be a lot less angry than you are. You are angry because others do not want to fall as fast and as low as you? That is hardly a recipe for a successful nation built on accomplishment and progress.
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No government employees want a free ride from the hard working tax payers
 
haymarket said:
Sounds like you are winning the race to the bottom. You should be a lot less angry than you are. You are angry because others do not want to fall as fast and as low as you? That is hardly a recipe for a successful nation built on accomplishment and progress.
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Sounds like you'd rather take cheap shots then have an intellectual discussion, but then again maybe your not intellectually capable of that.

I''ll never be so low as to expect others to subsidize my standard of living like many Liberals do, I can earn that myself and I dont need a Union.
 
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If you ever find yourself in the unfortunate position of being in a union, just remember that the union derives its power from your misery.
 
ksu_aviator said:
If you ever find yourself in the unfortunate position of being in a union, just remember that the union derives its power from your misery.
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I bet there are some coal miners from the 1880s who would totally disagree with you. Keep in mind that a union is simply a group of people who share a common interest. Lots of them are teachers (who I think we can all agree are still underpaid), police officers, coal miners, and auto workers.
 
haymarket said:
This type of rabid right wing attack on working people is an ugly but sadly necessary part of the cycle that will renew the American labor movement and cause them to emerge more powerful than ever. It is a sad commentary on human nature that each generation forgets the sturggles and sacrifices of those who helped make their life what it is today.
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You're OK with unions making their money off the backs of private sector working folks?
 
whysoserious said:
Public laws? Wait, Turtle Dude, do we want public laws sticking their nose into business or do we want the private sector (unions) to handle it?

Make up your mind, man! You're right, it is silly!
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that attempt at humor failed and i guess you cannot figure out that those in public sector jobs are not in private business
PUBLIC WORKERS would have tipped off even a dullard i figured.
 
whysoserious said:
I bet there are some coal miners from the 1880s who would totally disagree with you. Keep in mind that a union is simply a group of people who share a common interest. Lots of them are teachers (who I think we can all agree are still underpaid), police officers, coal miners, and auto workers.
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I bet you don't realize that you proved my point.
 
Iron Yank said:
Sounds like you'd rather take cheap shots then have an intellectual discussion, but then again maybe your not intellectually capable of that.

I''ll never be so low as to expect others to subsidize my standard of living like many Liberals do, I can earn that myself and I dont need a Union.
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You cannot have an intellectual discussion with people whose knowledge of unions and union members is a perverted distortion of a cartoon universe in which reality never intrudes or raises its head.

some here should read this

http://www.thenation.com/article/158647/betrayal-public-workers

WARNING: It is not a cartoon caricature written in a drive-by cliche filled style designed to appeal to people who think unions and Tony Soprano are the same people.
 
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LOL, teachers. And unions. What a toxic mix.

I remember in my 20s that the teachers were always the drunkest girls in the bar and the easiest to take home. I remember the conversations and thinking to myself, "You actually teach kids? I knew more than you when I was 10."

Obviously, "math" isn't the strongest subject for this lot because the money just isn't there. 1-2=a bankrupt state.
 
haymarket said:
You cannot have an intellectual discussion with people whose knowledge of unions and union members is a perverted distortion of a cartoon universe in which reality never intrudes or raises its head.

some here should read this

The Betrayal of Public Workers | The Nation

WARNING: It is not a cartoon caricature written in a drive-by cliche filled style designed to appeal to people who think unions and Tony Soprano are the same people.
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Wrong I have been in unions and a shop stewart. Unions no longer serve a purpose other than being a political machine with the union dues from members
 
ptif219 said:
No this is about the State Budget and saving the taxpayers money. The Unions and Democrats are making it a political issue. As always the Democrats would rather spend more and raise taxes and put more burden on the middle class
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hmmm....lets put this in perspective....wisconsin has what? a 3.5 billion dollar hole in the budget, the governor hopes to save 30 MILLION by june, and 300 MILLION over what, 3 years by screwing over the working man? lets see....3.5 BILLION minus 330 MILLION in savings by screwing over the working class...seems to me that that leaves 3.17BILLION HOLE IN BUDGET.... nothing more than an attempt to strip away collective bargaining rights of the union...union busting.
 
ptif219 said:
Wrong I have been in unions and a shop stewart. Unions no longer serve a purpose other than being a political machine with the union dues from members
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what union were you in?
 
randel said:
hmmm....lets put this in perspective....wisconsin has what? a 3.5 billion dollar hole in the budget, the governor hopes to save 30 MILLION by june, and 300 MILLION over what, 3 years by screwing over the working man? lets see....3.5 BILLION minus 330 MILLION in savings by screwing over the working class...seems to me that that leaves 3.17BILLION HOLE IN BUDGET.... nothing more than an attempt to strip away collective bargaining rights of the union...union busting.
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I agree. I'm often struck by how much work goes into demonizing poorer and working folk, which amount to small savings, while ignoring larger problems that favor more wealthy persons. Ideally, a serious effort would at least address both, if not favor the backbone, the working person.
 
randel said:
hmmm....lets put this in perspective....wisconsin has what? a 3.5 billion dollar hole in the budget, the governor hopes to save 30 MILLION by june, and 300 MILLION over what, 3 years by screwing over the working man? lets see....3.5 BILLION minus 330 MILLION in savings by screwing over the working class...seems to me that that leaves 3.17BILLION HOLE IN BUDGET.... nothing more than an attempt to strip away collective bargaining rights of the union...union busting.
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Screwing over the working man?

Its the working man in the private sector from which the Public sector union slobs cut from his back their bloated salaries, gold plated health insurance, and diamond inlayed pensions.

.........or do outrageous property taxes/state taxes/city taxes not count as "screwing over the working man"?
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Badmutha said:
Screwing over the working man?

Its the working man in the private sector from which the Public sector union slobs cut from his back their bloated salaries, gold plated health insurance, and diamond inlayed pensions.

.........or do outrageous property taxes/state taxes/city taxes not count as "screwing over the working man"?
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did you read any of my post other than 'working man'? doesnt look like you did....the unions are not the problem here, and i'm sure that they are willing to step up to the plate and pick up more of the costs for their health insurance and pensions....benefits/pay are not the issue, this governor is hell bent on taking away collective bargaining rights of these unions, he wants to force them to 're-certify' every year, and wants to take away their ability to collect union dues...hence, he is trying to turn wisconsin into a 'right to work' state....he is trying to union bust.
 
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