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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    More like the sour taste of right wing deception (and hypocrisy).

    As a classical liberal, I wholeheartedly support the idea of laissez-faire capitalism, the idea of a neutral minimal government that doesn't tax people and/or run up deficits to redistribute money, and the right of any individual or entity (including one that calls itself the "State of Wisconsin") to hire whomever they damn well want (including someone undocumented), without having to abide by hiring laws of any kind, including those that require them to defer to union restrictions/guidelines.

    However, GOPers have never been in favor of such a system.

    It's more likely the case that Walker wants to cut State employee benefits to avoid cutting State subsidy payments to organizations/businesses favored by his backers (i. e. private business owners, CEOs). And, oh look. . .

    Business subsidy reforms backed - JSOnline

    Fat chance those reforms will pass. Alas, that's the trouble with right wingers--they're too addicted to welfare to balance any budgets.
    Your link is things that happened under a Dem governor.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I love the way you come up with a personal history which fits as proof for every ridiculous statement you make about government or history. its really quite creative. You seem to wear more hats than a whole squad of Keystone Cops.
    You've notice that too?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You want them to purchase stock on $8 an hour?
    Work your way up to it. You know it takes work and time to earn. Why do you want a reward before you invest anything? It's silly.

    That's true. People can work their way up. It does not change the fact that the CEO is earning 2150 times most of the employees though.
    I cited sources to dismiss your numbers as average CEO compensation. 300-500 range, stop cherry picking for effect.

    You think someone who makes $8 has the capital to start a business?
    Yes, they have the only thing it takes human capital.
    My first job was at minimum wage. I worked my way up through the market, and started a business.
    How is this possible?

    I find those making large salaries off of the backs of hard-working Americans to be insufficient.
    Exactly. You want to step in and dicatate to others what they can recieve in payment, and what the emloyer should pay them. It's authoritarian, sorry.

    Again, I haven't received an answer:How much would the CEO make if the cashiers, janitor, stock boys, etc didn't exist? Where would Wal-Mart be then? Are they not a vital part of the company?
    Because it makes no sense. Didn't exist? Are they in a ****ing black hole? I guess he'd get sucked in the black hole too?
    Did they get disintigrated by Klingons? If they all quit, the CEO would go get another job, or hire more people. What the **** do you think he'd do?

    I care
    Authoritarians care about telling people what to do. Slave owners care about keeping slaves.
    Caring, you see, is hardly meaningful to the discussion.

    If the free market is so perfect, why do we have thousands of market regulations? Since when does perfection require regulation?
    Who claimed the free market was perfect?
    And who claimed free markets (in reality) exist or can exist without rules (typically government in origin)?

    You're barking up the wrong tree.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    sorry cochise...i don't shop wally world.
    But you don't care if prices go up for everyone who does shop there? Nice

    Not everyone can afford to shop at Whole Foods.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Didn't have time to read the whole thread, but it's going in it's usual endless circle. I posted this link on another thread, and while it is more focused on taxes I believe it provides an interesting perspective:

    TomPaine.com - Hidden Truths Of Progressive Taxes

    Further, I think I finally understand the perspective of those at the head of the conservative propaganda firehose. And I have to thank Turtledude for this insight:

    The wealthy in this country lack the votes necessary to create the economic environment that would allow them to compete with their counterparts in southeast asia. They have peasants. Millions of people desperate for $2 a day.

    No unions there. 16 hour workdays. 7 day work weeks. No benefits, no pensions, nothing. $2 a day, out the door. Just like America prior to the Union movement.

    Our wealthy want the same right to an exploitable peasantry as their foreign competitors have. So they came up with a plan. What we are seeing today is the final phase of this plan.

    Citizens United grants wealth the right to spend as much on political campains as it wants, without any disclosure.

    Bust the unions and they eliminate a major obstacle to their plans.

    In the early part of the last century, the people got the government to take the middle class from wealth.

    Now they want their peasants back

    Sound about right?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    they perform a service, so yes, they EARN their money.
    I didn't say they didn't earn it. I said the tax payer pays their wages so therefore they are the ones paying the Union dues.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you realize that we have a 14.5 trillion dollar economy thus how much of that economy is spent on education?
    Not near enough. How much below the comparably educated average worker's pay do you think teachers should receive for the task of teaching our future generation?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You've notice that too?
    Yes. Its hard not to notice since shameless self promotion seems to be the number message next to Democrats fleecing the rich to reward the poor for voting for them.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I didn't say they didn't earn it. I said the tax payer pays their wages so therefore they are the ones paying the Union dues.
    once the money is in their hands, it no longer belongs to the 'taxpayers'...are you saying these folks need taxpayer approval before spending money they earned?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Didn't have time to read the whole thread, but it's going in it's usual endless circle. I posted this link on another thread, and while it is more focused on taxes I believe it provides an interesting perspective:

    TomPaine.com - Hidden Truths Of Progressive Taxes

    Further, I think I finally understand the perspective of those at the head of the conservative propaganda firehose. And I have to thank Turtledude for this insight:

    The wealthy in this country lack the votes necessary to create the economic environment that would allow them to compete with their counterparts in southeast asia. They have peasants. Millions of people desperate for $2 a day.

    No unions there. 16 hour workdays. 7 day work weeks. No benefits, no pensions, nothing. $2 a day, out the door. Just like America prior to the Union movement.

    Our wealthy want the same right to an exploitable peasantry as their foreign competitors have. So they came up with a plan. What we are seeing today is the final phase of this plan.

    Citizens United grants wealth the right to spend as much on political campains as it wants, without any disclosure.

    Bust the unions and they eliminate a major obstacle to their plans.

    In the early part of the last century, the people got the government to take the middle class from wealth.

    Now they want their peasants back

    Sound about right?

    How else can the corporations compete and keep their CEO's making 2,000 times what the workers make. Its our patriotic duty to accept third world wages to provide a level playing field for them, is it not???
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