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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Which is why they could use a union. Don't you think that the people who make the company run should have a say in it?
    They do have a say. They can purchase stock, they can get stock options, they can get voting stock, they can go to a different company.
    They can work their way up, they can achieve all sorts of levels of influence within the company. They can join the board.

    They could also start their own business and run it EXACTLY as you claim to want. You, right now, can start a business and make it function just how dream it should be. You are free to do this under our current system. How is this insufficient? You can't compete with it because it will be inefficient, but by all means, knock yourself out.

    The board doesn't care how much the CEO makes, as long as they get their dividends. They don't care if he makes over 2000 times more than his employees.
    Maybe it's not important as long as the company is profiting, who cares? Maybe they had eggs for lunch. What business is it of yours?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    The great part is that I already showed him that we are 44th in spending for education in the world. #1 my ass.
    He obviously doesn't understand the importance of education.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    they treat employees well?? seems to me i remember having read where their benefits suck, where they have locked in employees after hours 'till all the work was done, but tried to skate out of paying overtime.....yeah, sounds like a great place.
    Looks like better pay and benefits than a mom and pop shop could pay.

    Wal-Mart - Sustainability Progress to Date 2007-2008 - Wages and Benefits
    The average hourly, full-time wage for Associates in our U.S. stores is $10.76.
    These wages, while competitive with industry, are in many cases entry level jobs
    Every Associate is eligible to receive performance bonuses based on the performance of their store. In fact, earlier this year, 813,759 Wal-Mart and Sam’s Club hourly Associates in the United States were awarded more than $529.8 million in bonuses. A full-time, hourly Associate can receive bonuses of up to $1,800 at Wal-Mart Stores and $2,200 at Sam’s Club per year.
    Health Benefits: All Associates – whether full-time or part-time – can become eligible for health benefits with Wal-Mart, and all children of Associates become eligible for coverage as soon as their parents do. We offer a wide variety of health plan options to meet their differing needs. Every Associate who works in the continental United States can become eligible for individual health coverage that costs as little as $5 per month in some areas and no more than $8 per month nationwide. Moreover, beginning in January 2008, those who participate in our plans will be able to get more than 2,400 generic prescriptions for $4. Read more about Health Care benefits.
    401(k) Plan: Wal-Mart may contribute up to two percent of eligible Associates’ annual wages to a 401 (k) plan, after a 12-month waiting period. Contributions may be made even if Associates choose not to add money of their own.
    Profit Sharing Plan: Every eligible Associate who has worked for the company for 12 months may receive a company contribution of up to two percent of their wages to a profit sharing account. Contributions are made even if Associates choose not to add money of their own.
    Stock Purchase Plan: We contribute to Associates’ stock purchase by matching 15 cents for every dollar of stock purchased through payroll deductions, up to the first $1,800 in purchases each plan year.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are seriously asking why education is important to our country???

    Not a fan of education huh? I should have guessed that from your posts. Our whole future as a country depends on education. If the the federal government did not place education as a priority, it would be shirking its responsibility under the Constitution to promote the general welfare.
    No, learn to read, I asked you why we have a Federal Education Budget and a state Education budget since education is a state responsibility.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    They do have a say. They can purchase stock, they can get stock options, they can get voting stock, they can go to a different company.
    You want them to purchase stock on $8 an hour? Or, they can form a union and then bargain collectively. You know, like back around the turn of the 20th century when wealthy were taking advantage of the poor and making them work for next to nothing? They formed unions.

    By the way, have you seen the numbers:



    Looks like its happening all over again!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    They can work their way up, they can achieve all sorts of levels of influence within the company. They can join the board.
    That's true. People can work their way up. It does not change the fact that the CEO is earning 2150 times most of the employees though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    They could also start their own business and run it EXACTLY as you claim to want.
    You think someone who makes $8 has the capital to start a business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    You, right now, can start a business and make it function just how dream it should be. You are free to do this under our current system. How is this insufficient? You can't compete with it because it will be inefficient, but by all means, knock yourself out.
    I find those making large salaries off of the backs of hard-working Americans to be insufficient. Again, I haven't received an answer:

    How much would the CEO make if the cashiers, janitor, stock boys, etc didn't exist? Where would Wal-Mart be then? Are they not a vital part of the company?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Maybe it's not important as long as the company is profiting, who cares? Maybe they had eggs for lunch. What business is it of yours?
    I care.

    Mach, I pose you this one question:

    If the free market is so perfect, why do we have thousands of market regulations? Since when does perfection require regulation?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I studied labor history. I have a degree in labor relations-
    I love the way you come up with a personal history which fits as proof for every ridiculous statement you make about government or history. its really quite creative. You seem to wear more hats than a whole squad of Keystone Cops.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    He obviously doesn't understand the importance of education.
    Really impressed by numbers I see. Do you know what goes into those numbers and do you really believe that the higher the spending the better the results? Are both state and federal spending included? Do you realize that we have a 14.5 trillion dollar economy thus how much of that economy is spent on education? If you learned to think in school then you need to practice what you were taught.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That's a terrible analogy. That is what is called a straw man. You simply took my point of view, packaged it and turned it into something else, and then tackled that argument.

    Guess what? I never asked whether or not you could buy a car. I asked why I should believe the free market is correct in deciding compensation for a CEO that makes 2150 times the amount of most his employees? That was my question.
    Get used to it my friend. It is standard operating procedure for that poster and is his favorite way of 'debating'. twist it - change it - rephrase it - pervert it - turn it into a Frankenstein monster of the actual idea - because its so much easier to attack it that way.

    And get ready for the part where he puts on the referee suit and proclaims himself the winner, you the loser, and you FAIL. Thats my personal favorite part.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really impressed by numbers I see. Do you know what goes into those numbers and do you really believe that the higher the spending the better the results? Are both state and federal spending included? Do you realize that we have a 14.5 trillion dollar economy thus how much of that economy is spent on education? If you learned to think in school then you need to practice what you were taught.
    I also showed you that our rankings weren't great either. In fact, just like our spending is average, so is our education system (and yes, my numbers were the total amount spent as a percentage of GDP - so the amount spent doesn't matter since it is compared to GDP):

    U.S. Falls In World Education Rankings, Rated 'Average'
    The three-yearly OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report, which compares the knowledge and skills of 15-year-olds in 70 countries around the world, ranked the United States 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics.
    I don't mind if you cut education but it better be through streamlining - not firing teachers and making classrooms bigger. Also, liberal arts programs are constantly being cut and it's unacceptable.
    Last edited by whysoserious; 02-25-11 at 07:03 PM.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    No, learn to read, I asked you why we have a Federal Education Budget and a state Education budget since education is a state responsibility.

    And I explained to you the importance of education to our country. If education was only important to the states, it might make sense leaving it up to them. However, our Constitution mandates that the US government promote the general welfare.
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