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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What you or I think at this point is irrelevant, his words are there for all to see and he got it right.

    As for Democrat Party here is why I use it

    "Democrat Party" is a political epithet used in the United States instead of "Democratic Party" when talking about the Democratic Party.The term "Democrat Party" was in common use with no negative connotations by Democrats in some localities during the 1950s.[9] The Dictionary of American Regional English gives numerous examples of "Democrat" being used as an adjective in everyday speech, especially in the Northeast.[10]
    Your little rant about the Democrat party also shows you are stuck in the past and everybody is wrong except you. It is a Limbaughism used in 2011. I could not care less about who used it and where it was used sixty years ago. For the last several years, DEMOCRATIC PARTY was the rule. It was right wingers like Limbaugh who adopted the crusade for Democrat Party.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I answered it above.

    Here's an analogy to show you how absurd your line of reasoning is:

    If I buy a car for $40K tomrrow, who should determine if I can, or cannot make this purchase.
    You.
    Me.

    If Me, you support free market. If You, then you're just kidding, I'm sure.
    Then you follow up with "How are you infallible!?!"

    How does "fallibility" relate to the purchase price I agree to for a car I want to purchase? It doesn't, does it.
    That's a terrible analogy. That is what is called a straw man. You simply took my point of view, packaged it and turned it into something else, and then tackled that argument.

    Guess what? I never asked whether or not you could buy a car. I asked why I should believe the free market is correct in deciding compensation for a CEO that makes 2150 times the amount of most his employees? That was my question.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Yes, unless you can prove that public union dues come from someone besides the tax payers who employee them.
    You do know that we aren't talking about private sector unions?
    It comes from what they earn. In exchange for X amount of time/hour/minutes of work.When the work is done and the paycheck issued, it is now the property of the public sector employee(in other words it is no longer taxpayer dough) to do with it as he/she pleases.

    Be it pay union dues, buy a six pack or a bag of pot. I realize itís an inconvenient truth and a slap in the face of your winger beliefs but sadly(to you and other flat earthers) itís a fact that at the time that the the public sector employee completed his chores, in exchange for the amount of money that it took him/her to pay the union dues, that money was no longer "public funds ".
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Exactly. The market is created by individuals. Individuals who aren't perfect. So why would you leave it to its own devices and assume everything is going fine?
    Because hopefully you prefer their freedom to choose what they purchase or work for or sell, as opposed to someone else dictating what they have to purchase, work for, or sell.

    As a general rule for a society, being allowed to make your own mistakes is strictly better than being forced by someone else to make mistakes. How would you like it if Glen Beck and his cronies got to determine how you lived your life? You'd apparently love it based on what you're trying to do.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your little rant about the Democrat party also shows you are stuck in the past and everybody is wrong except you. It is a Limbaughism used in 2011. I could not care less about who used it and where it was used sixty years ago. For the last several years, DEMOCRATIC PARTY was the rule. It was right wingers like Limbaugh who adopted the crusade for Democrat Party.
    You are the one making a big deal out of the term Democrat Party, not me. It isn't right or wrong just what I used growing up. Sorry it offends you but tough. There was no Rush Limbaugh when I was growing up and a Democrat nor was their a Rush Limbaugh in 1980 when the Democrat Party left me. You always blame someone else for the Democrat failures.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That's a terrible analogy. That is what is called a straw man. You simply took my point of view, packaged it and turned it into something else, and then tackled that argument.
    It's just fine as an analogy. The fact that you are already needing to have this explained, apparently also means you need the analogy explained. Which is fine.

    I asked why I should believe the free market is correct in deciding compensation for a CEO that makes 2150 times the amount of most his employees? That was my question.
    CEO enters into negotiation with the board of the fortune 500 company and is offered a job making 500x minimum wage in total compensation.

    That's how the market decided. How do you propose we decide that CEOs pay if not the market? Please, I can't wait to see the response.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Because hopefully you prefer their freedom to choose what they purchase or work for or sell, as opposed to someone else dictating what they have to purchase, work for, or sell.

    As a general rule for a society, being allowed to make your own mistakes is strictly better than being forced by someone else to make mistakes. How would you like it if Glen Beck and his cronies got to determine how you lived your life? You'd apparently love it based on what you're trying to do.
    What are you talking about? There are words being put in my mouth left and right. Not completely trusting the free market doesn't equal communism or any other type of forced economical system. Ever heard of Sarbanes-Oxley? It, along with thousands of other free market regulations, are put into place because of a free-market failure. That's all I am suggesting, so please quit with the straw man attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    It's just fine as an analogy. The fact that you are already needing to have this explained, apparently also means you need the analogy explained. Which is fine.



    CEO enters into negotiation with the board of the fortune 500 company and is offered a job making 500x minimum wage in total compensation.

    That's how the market decided. How do you propose we decide that CEOs pay if not the market? Please, I can't wait to see the response.
    Which is why they could use a union. Don't you think that the people who make the company run should have a say in it? The board doesn't care how much the CEO makes, as long as they get their dividends. They don't care if he makes over 2000 times more than his employees.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Maybe you can tell me why we have a federal budget for education when it is also in the states and is a state and local responsibility. Teachers, firemen, and police are funded by the states, not the Federal govt.
    You are seriously asking why education is important to our country???

    Not a fan of education huh? I should have guessed that from your posts. Our whole future as a country depends on education. If the the federal government did not place education as a priority, it would be shirking its responsibility under the Constitution to promote the general welfare.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are seriously asking why education is important to our country???

    Not a fan of education huh? I should have guessed that from your posts. Our whole future as a country depends on education. If the the federal government did not place education as a priority, it would be shirking its responsibility under the Constitution to promote the general welfare.
    The great part is that I already showed him that we are 44th in spending for education in the world. #1 my ass.
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