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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    The poor spend it on consumer goods.
    The wealthy invest it into economic growth and on consumer goods.

    Both spend it. Where do you get these ideas?
    Yes they invest it as to make more $$$ for themselves
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    I don't get it. Why aren't liberals sticking up for the little guy instead of the teachers union?

    Wisconsin Budget Battle Underscores History of Hand-Wringing Over Public-Sector Unions

    Taxpayers who generally have less generous pensions may have to pay tax increases to fund benefits for public sector employees with much more generous pensions than they have themselves," says Andrew Biggs of the American Enterprise Institute.
    The demands of public sector unions come at a time that taxpayers are over a barrel. The government has a monopoly on services such as police or teachers, giving the unions the power to force concessions.
    In some cases, officials are inclined to go along because they were elected with considerable help from public sector unions, which give large sums to friendly political candidates, mostly Democrats.
    In fact, the American Federation of State and County Municipal Employees spent more than any other outside group in the last election, according to analysts.
    "They spent $91 million on the last election campaign. They are the 800-pound gorilla of state and local government politics," Sherk says.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I don't get it. Why aren't liberals sticking up for the little guy instead of the teachers union?

    Wisconsin Budget Battle Underscores History of Hand-Wringing Over Public-Sector Unions
    Almost without exception, Barb, the posters who are most vehemently arguing for the teacher's union are union members themselves - or retired and receiving public pensions. What can we expect?

    Before some start jumping on me, I know here are some who are NOT....but most? Are.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    But what makes the market right? Why is the market infallible?
    Reality. Please look at centrally planned markets compared to relatively free markets in large nations.
    The historic and present day evidence is not even remotely controversial. This isn't a partisan issue, it's a science issue.

    As to infallible, that's a red herring, all that matter is what works *best* while simulatneously maximizing *liberty*.
    Why did centrally planned china stagnate for years, and to grow their economy, middle class, and standard of living, introduce free market initiatives?

    The only thing worse than the inferior performance of central planning, is the fact that you have those in power, dictating how others must lead their lives. It's worse economically, and in terms of individual freedom, it can't get more clear cut than that.

    Last time I checked, we bailed the market out because of how dead wrong it was.
    Who bailed it out? Government. <- that's not the market function

    Also, please cite your stats. Its common decency.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    What is scaring you? That I asked why the market is infallible? That I question why someone is worth 2150 times another person (not including bonuses and fringe benefits)?
    The market is created by individuals willing to pay the prices and support companies that pay those salaries. That is freedom of choice. You don't like what a company pays its CEO's then don't buy from that company. The market determines value and the public determines whether that salary is worth it. Think that Bill Gates is worth billions? How about Albert Pujols, Lebron James, Justin Bieber? Who sets their wages? If there was no interest in computers Gates wouldn't be worth what he is worth today. The market decides and you influence the market by your buying habits.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Yes they invest it as to make more $$$ for themselves
    Last I checked investment is what drives economic GROWTH:
    1. it creates the jobs
    2. it creates the rates that fund your pension/IRA/401K, interest rates, etc.

    Lol. I think just about every employee or owner makes money "for themselves". To argue otherwise is absurd.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The market is created by individuals willing to pay the prices and support companies that pay those salaries. That is freedom of choice. You don't like what a company pays its CEO's then don't buy from that company. The market determines value and the public determines whether that salary is worth it. Think that Bill Gates is worth billions? How about Albert Pujols, Lebron James, Justin Bieber? Who sets their wages? If there was no interest in computers Gates wouldn't be worth what he is worth today. The market decides and you influence the market by your buying habits.
    Exactly. The market is created by individuals. Individuals who aren't perfect. So why would you leave it to its own devices and assume everything is going fine? Why do I have to accept that just because the market has allowed it that it must be good?

    What has school taught me? To not believe everything I hear and use common sense and logic to form thoughts. To do my own research.

    So yes, pardon me for not accepting, "because the free market says so" as a valid answer.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I don't get it. Why aren't liberals sticking up for the little guy instead of the teachers union?

    Wisconsin Budget Battle Underscores History of Hand-Wringing Over Public-Sector Unions
    That's a straw man. Who said liberals want to raise taxes on people who can't afford it?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Almost without exception, Barb, the posters who are most vehemently arguing for the teacher's union are union members themselves - or retired and receiving public pensions. What can we expect?

    Before some start jumping on me, I know here are some who are NOT....but most? Are.
    Do you have any stat on that?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    What is scaring you? That I asked why the market is infallible? That I question why someone is worth 2150 times another person (not including bonuses and fringe benefits)?
    I answered it above.

    Here's an analogy to show you how absurd your line of reasoning is:

    If I buy a car for $40K tomorrow, who should determine if I can, or cannot make this purchase.
    You. or Me.

    If Me, you support free market. If You, then you're just kidding, I'm sure.
    Then you follow up with "How are you infallible!?!"

    How does "fallibility" relate to the purchase price I agree to for a car I want to purchase? It doesn't, does it.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Yes they invest it as to make more $$$ for themselves
    The wealthy buy far more goods and services than the less wealthy which means their share of sales taxes, property taxes, luxury taxes and every other tax on goods and services puts the middle class to shame. If it weren't for those "wealthy people" in your very own community who lived in those huge houses paying those huge property taxes, yours would be through the roof. If it weren't for the wealthy buying new cars every few years, our car makers and their union employees would be out of business. If it weren't for the wealthy investing in hair-brained schemes that might someday be popular, you wouldn't even have cable TV. If it weren't for the wealthy putting their money in the banks, you wouldn't be able to borrow a nickel to buy a house. If it weren't for the wealthy flying first class, it'd cost YOU double to fly. If it weren't for the wealthy, we'd have five times the homeless and no shelters to put them in. I could go on and on and on and on....
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