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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And you blame the teachers, fireman and police for that?
    Maybe you can tell me why we have a federal budget for education when it is also in the states and is a state and local responsibility. Teachers, firemen, and police are funded by the states, not the Federal govt.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I don't want taxes raised on anyone. I'm a conservative. Howerer, if taxes get raised they should go up the same percentage for everyone. Why are tax cuts to the middle class not called "adding to the deficit?" like tax cuts to the rich are?
    Because those of the middle class, just like the poor, are more likely to go out and spend $$$ thus stimulating the economy, unlike the rich who just use the tax cuts to make more $$$ for themselves.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have read many books about FDR including just about everything Schlesinger wrote on the man. He was a dynamic man who was not tied to ideology or the fixed positions of the True Believer.

    You have the right to believe what you think FDR would believe were he around today.

    And so do I. I base my views on the FDR that Schlesinger introduced me to.
    What you or I think at this point is irrelevant, his words are there for all to see and he got it right.

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    "Democrat Party" is a political epithet used in the United States instead of "Democratic Party" when talking about the Democratic Party.The term "Democrat Party" was in common use with no negative connotations by Democrats in some localities during the 1950s.[9] The Dictionary of American Regional English gives numerous examples of "Democrat" being used as an adjective in everyday speech, especially in the Northeast.[10]

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Freedom does. Specifically, the market.
    Look at any centrally planned market in the world, they are dismal failures, and have terrible standards of living and human rights typically. You're really that shortsighted?

    Average CEO salary is about 68x the minimum wage salary. Not 2100 times.
    Add in all compensation and it's around 350-500x. However, most of that is stock ownership, which reflects the effort of growing and running a business.
    Pushing a mop is not growing and running a business, that's why they typically don't get stock and stock options. Running a fortune 500 corporate as an employee is very similar to running one as the owner. Because of this fact, to be competitive, you have to pay a CEO in accordance with what they could get in the market if you want to keep them. If CEO were simply offered $1M in salary with no ownership, the nearest competitor would smoke them, or the CEO may start a business where they are the owner, and do far better finanically either way. Markets work.

    I think this is all very basic stuff, what's going on here?
    But what makes the market right? Why is the market infallible? Last time I checked, we bailed the market out because of how dead wrong it was. So the market "says" one person is worth 2150:1 compared to others, you take it as truth?

    Also, please cite your stats. Its common decency.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Because those of the middle class, just like the poor, are more likely to go out and spend $$$ thus stimulating the economy, unlike the rich who just use the tax cuts to make more $$$ for themselves.
    The poor spend it on consumer goods.
    The wealthy invest it into economic growth and on consumer goods.

    Both spend it. Where do you get these ideas?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Yep, that excessive spending fattening CEO salaries. . .

    Tanker bid: Boeing wins $30 billion tanker contract - chicagotribune.com

    made worse by the fact that your kids will have to pay more to cover that $30 billion deficit because of the tax break given to an oil company.
    Look when your income is cut what do you do? If you believe giving tax breaks to corporations create the deficits then stop the damn spending. I posted the 2010 budget and I am sure you can find 30 billion in cuts there to promote job creation. How many employees will that 30 billion tanker contract create? You really don't like CEO's apparently, how many are there and what did they create of our 14.3 trillion dollar debt?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    But what makes the market right? Why is the market infallible? Last time I checked, we bailed the market out because of how dead wrong it was. So the market "says" one person is worth 2150:1 compared to others, you take it as truth?

    Also, please cite your stats. Its common decency.
    You are really scaring me. Is this what you are learning in school? No wonder we have problems today. We have the best economic system in the world, one that allows you to make as much money as you legally can make but not in your world.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    because unlike real unions that not only bargain on behalf of their employees against (when it comes to individual workers) a much stronger entity, but also train and guarantee the work of their members, everything a public sector union does is contrary to the good of the country

    I deal with Pub Sector unions constantly. One of the reasons why the US Postal Service leaked a billion or two dollars last year was the unions. From the inability to fire not just incompetent -but often criminally dangerous employees-to the bloated overtime and benefits, all the Unions do is drive up costs and limit efficiency
    I’m not going to argue the postal service with you; they’ve been a semi-independent federal agency since 1970. That subject could be the basis for a five hundred-page thread alone.

    The teachers unions, firefighters, police and a few crafts in your larger cities. I contend that cities get better protection (firefighters, police) better economy (craft unions) and as for the teachers. If you’re saying that teachers unions cause bad schools…nah, it’s not the union teachers causing bad schools. You could take a top ranked urban public(with union staff ) school and a top ranked private school and exchange staff and my money would be you wouldn’t have a an observable blip in GPA. I’m not going to say that all public sector unions are a good, but these four IMO the public gets more bang for their tax dollar than they would otherwise.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I don't want taxes raised on anyone. I'm a conservative. Howerer, if taxes get raised they should go up the same percentage for everyone. Why are tax cuts to the middle class not called "adding to the deficit?" like tax cuts to the rich are?
    Are they not? As I have said all over this board:

    income - expense = profit/loss

    So any tax cut is a loss of income which will inherently bring down profit or raise loss (or lower surpluses and raise debt). I think we are just saying that if someone is making 2150 times most of the employees below him, he can probably afford to pay a much higher tax rate. In fact, at 35 million a year, he can pay an 80% tax rate and still come down with $8,000,000 per year not including fringe benefits.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are really scaring me. Is this what you are learning in school? No wonder we have problems today. We have the best economic system in the world, one that allows you to make as much money as you legally can make but not in your world.
    What is scaring you? That I asked why the market is infallible? That I question why someone is worth 2150 times another person (not including bonuses and fringe benefits)?
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