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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, you don't know how to read a chart just like you don't know where the money comes from to pay public employees but as you stated, you really don't care. That says it all.
    what it shows is that i tire of arguing with ignorance...you want to pretend that these folks don't earn the money they are paid, because they don't work in the private sector, and work for the government .

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Do YOU know how long its been since 14 year olds were forced to work and workers were forced to buy everything from the "company store"??? THAT was the time when unions had a use, and it was a long time ago.
    Your post is a perfect illustration of the evils of the right wings conservatives in many states putting the goose step to text book publishers to sanitize their US History textbooks of anything about actual American labor history. Thank you for providing this insight.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    All of a CEO's salary is produced from the added on cost of products purchased by the public. Why would you not question getting ripped off by CEO's lavish lifestyle and then turn around and begrudge a teacher an adequate salary for the services they provide?
    LOL, many teachers are paid more than what they're worth (and teachers' unions do have something to do with that). The key difference between those teachers and CEOs is not their desire to cheat people (including property taxpayers) out of their $$, but rather how far they're willing to take that desire.

    And as stated before, most CEOs get to where they are because of their persistence in fellating superiors. Contrary to the beliefs of limbaugh addicts, it seldom has anything to do with their competence in increasing shareholder value. Most CEOs (like AT & T's Randall Stephenson) are incompetent buffoons that keep their jobs solely because of their prior success in building relationships with other bigger schmoozers.

    Teachers can do the same thing. A lazy young, sexy 23 y/o female second grade teacher can either screw around in class and make the salary her union won for her, or she can apply for a job as a CEO's secretary. In the latter role, she can flirt w/the (married) CEO and then blackmail him to get millions of dollars.

    Or she can work hard and teach. Some do, and while there is something to be said for that, it's harder to fatten the pocketbook that way.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If I feel I am ripped off by a company I don't buy from them thus don't create any revenue that is used to pay CEO's. No such luck paying the Federal or State governments
    Except we don't make purchases from teachers. We hire them to do a service. If schools were run by corporations and you felt they were charging too much, what would you do?

    If you felt you were being gouged by oil company CEOs making record profits by overcharging you at the gas pumps, what would you do?

    If you pension is lost by speculators for Enron, what would you do?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    because unlike real unions that not only bargain on behalf of their employees against (when it comes to individual workers) a much stronger entity, but also train and guarantee the work of their members, everything a public sector union does is contrary to the good of the country

    I deal with Pub Sector unions constantly. One of the reasons why the US Postal Service leaked a billion or two dollars last year was the unions. From the inability to fire not just incompetent -but often criminally dangerous employees-to the bloated overtime and benefits, all the Unions do is drive up costs and limit efficiency
    Reading your comments about unions reminds me of a magazine article from a eunuch describing the wonders of the brothel.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your post is a perfect illustration of the evils of the right wings conservatives in many states putting the goose step to text book publishers to sanitize their US History textbooks of anything about actual American labor history. Thank you for providing this insight.
    I studied labor history. I have a degree in labor relations-and the american labor movement was as filled with mainstream labor fighting radical/anarcho-syndicalist/communist (ever heard of the wobblies-IWW?) as it was of Gompers et al fighting with management.

    the fact is public sector unions serve no useful purpose other than enriching the labor leaders and getting more pay for less work for their members. the workers in the state in question contribute one tenth or less to their pensions than say the heavily unionized public sector workers here in ohio



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you know how long it has been since FDR was President? That America no longer exists. Get over it. MNy calendar reads 2011. How about yours? Besides, you attempting to hijack FDR for your own extremist right wing position is laughable to anyone who has read your true feelings about him and the many programs he created for America and its people.
    Do you know how much of FDR exists today and how many liberals tout his accomplishments? Seems very selective cherrypicking to ignore how he felt about public unions.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Reading your comments about unions reminds me of a magazine article from a eunuch describing the wonders of the brothel.
    that actually makes sense since eunuchs in some societies were specifically tasked with guarding or running brothels or harems. see what you missed out on by living in the USA?



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you know how much of FDR exists today and how many liberals tout his accomplishments? Seems very selective cherrypicking to ignore how he felt about public unions.
    yeah for a guy who claims to have been a teacher he sure seems to have failed most of American history



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your post is a perfect illustration of the evils of the right wings conservatives in many states putting the goose step to text book publishers to sanitize their US History textbooks of anything about actual American labor history. Thank you for providing this insight.
    Ding, Ding, Ding.... we have a winner.

    As far as I know, you are the first lib to pull out the Nazi characterization in this long tedious thread. I guess you didn't get the memo from Obama asking for a more compassionate dialog.

    Congratulations !

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