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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you were wrong, and your own charts proved you wrong...NEXT!!
    No, you don't know how to read a chart just like you don't know where the money comes from to pay public employees but as you stated, you really don't care. That says it all.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The argument for abolishing public sector unions is in the interest of the country
    No, thats just nationalist rhetoric meant to hide the fact that if there were no public sector unions, it would just create a new market for people to exploit.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its no longer amusing, as it once was, to see the feigned ignorance of some on this issue pretending with a straight face that public employees are neither taxpayers or citizens and are somehow The Other as if they just landed from another planet.
    Who said public employees aren't taxpayers? Wonder what their tax rates would be if they didn't have to help fund their own union?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its no longer amusing, as it once was, to see the feigned ignorance of some on this issue pretending with a straight face that public employees are neither taxpayers or citizens and are somehow The Other as if they just landed from another planet.
    Amen brother

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Thus the reason that public unions should never be able to collective bargain with taxpayers. FDR got it right.
    Do you know how long it has been since FDR was President? That America no longer exists. Get over it. MNy calendar reads 2011. How about yours? Besides, you attempting to hijack FDR for your own extremist right wing position is laughable to anyone who has read your true feelings about him and the many programs he created for America and its people.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Who said public employees aren't taxpayers? Wonder what their tax rates would be if they didn't have to help fund their own union?
    It has been part and parcel of this discussion in this an the 386 other threads on Wisconsin for the last two weeks.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you know how long it has been since FDR was President? That America no longer exists. Get over it. MNy calendar reads 2011. How about yours? Besides, you attempting to hijack FDR for your own extremist right wing position is laughable to anyone who has read your true feelings about him and the many programs he created for America and its people.
    Do YOU know how long its been since 14 year olds were forced to work and workers were forced to buy everything from the "company store"??? THAT was the time when unions had a use, and it was a long time ago.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Thus the reason that public unions should never be able to collective bargain with taxpayers. FDR got it right.

    Your overdue for your afternoon nap ole man, I posted a letter explaining how FDR felt about public sector unions. Evidently you forgot.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    And the opinion stated in the last sentence is the crux of the dilemma in Wi. What is the wrong with bargain for working conditions for firefighters or police when you have a no strike clause in place?
    because unlike real unions that not only bargain on behalf of their employees against (when it comes to individual workers) a much stronger entity, but also train and guarantee the work of their members, everything a public sector union does is contrary to the good of the country

    I deal with Pub Sector unions constantly. One of the reasons why the US Postal Service leaked a billion or two dollars last year was the unions. From the inability to fire not just incompetent -but often criminally dangerous employees-to the bloated overtime and benefits, all the Unions do is drive up costs and limit efficiency



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD
    Correction: It's a Ginned-Up "Crisis," but Scott Walker Isn't Entirely to Blame for Wisconsin's Budget Gap

    It's been widely reported that Scott Walker inherited a $120 million budget surplus, and then promptly created a budget deficit in order to break the backs of Wisconsin's public employees' unions. On Friday, I quoted Ezra Klein of the Washington Post explaining that Walker had " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit."

    Politifact did an analysis of this issue which shows that Walker in fact inherited a manageable, long-term budget gap and then spun it as an imminent crisis that must be addressed this year.

    The reports stem from a a Jan. 31, 2011 memo prepared by Robert Lang, the director of the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau, that was picked up by the Associated Press and a number of other outlets. It does state that Wisconsin was on course for a surplus this year, which the media reported that in good faith. The issue is what Politifact refers to as the memo's "fine print."

    [It] outlines $258 million in unpaid bills or expected shortfalls in programs such as Medicaid services for the needy ($174 million alone), the public defenderís office and corrections. Additionally, the state owes Minnesota $58.7 million under a discontinued tax reciprocity deal.

    The result, by our math and Langís, is the $137 million shortfall.
    I don't think that this really answers the point. The alternet journalist was making a correction to his facts for completeness, but these considerations don't change the fact that governor Walker offered significant tax cuts to corporations that really didn't need them, creating a much larger and more immediate problem. He is using the result of that action to argue his case now.

    I'm not a partisan. Dems do the same sort of thing. This is politics in America, and I don't mind saying that it sucks.

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