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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    private unions are bargaining against companies whose goal is to maximize profits. The public and the government really don't have a proper interest in that dispute.

    however public employee unions are not bargaining against such entities but rather the taxpayers and the public interest. The argument for abolishing public sector unions is in the interest of the country



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It is--as a result of those subsidies, other people's (or your kids') taxes will be increased to cover it.
    Sorry, my kids and yours if you have any will be paying for the excessive spending not the tax cuts to businesses that employ people who pay taxes.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So you think someone with a bachelors degree in the public sector should get paid the same as someone with just a high school diploma in the private sector?
    That sounds like socialist thinking. Ptif219 a socialist
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If I feel I am ripped off by a company I don't buy from them thus don't create any revenue that is used to pay CEO's. No such luck paying the Federal or State governments
    That is only because you will not exercise your rights to deny the government your money or even any authority over you ..... and you most certainly can do that ..... if you really care to beyond just bluffing.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    hmmm...mature enough to admit when wrong...wasnt it you in another thread, when shown repeatedly you were wrong, by, who was it...redress?....that wouldnt admit to be wrong? wasnt it you that had your own job data used against you?...you were wrong, when are you going to be 'mature ' enough to admit it?
    Keep diverting, I wasn't wrong but when I am I admit it. Suggest you read the entire thread as I backed up my statements with data. You have yet to explain where union employees get their money.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    private unions are bargaining against companies whose goal is to maximize profits. The public and the government really don't have a proper interest in that dispute.

    however public employee unions are not bargaining against such entities but rather the taxpayers and the public interest. The argument for abolishing public sector unions is in the interest of the country
    And the opinion stated in the last sentence is the crux of the dilemma in Wi. What is the wrong with bargain for working conditions for firefighters or police when you have a no strike clause in place?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That seems reasonable. I am not sure it is fair to say that teachers work 40 hours a week since most work 8am-3pm and have plenty of work to do out of class (but I am sure that over 40 hours a week is true for most jobs).

    The other question though is what is wrong with teachers earning a bit more than the average of degrees? Consider that most common degree Bachelors in Arts (for Business). Business degrees are a dime a dozen and are relatively easy to attain. Why shouldn't teachers be paid more than those people?
    I don't have a problem with teachers making good money..........but

    I don't believe teachers should be forced to join a union if they don't want to

    I don't believe the state should be forced to collect union dues from paychecks. If the teachers had to write a check to the union, they would have to actually think about that $1,000 a year.

    I don't believe teachers should get a pension, but get a 401K like the rest of us that they contribute to with a small matching sum by the state.

    I believe teachers should have to pay the average amount for their insurance as paid by employees in private business.

    Pay raises should be tied to the CPI, years of service, and their student's progression.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Keep diverting, I wasn't wrong but when I am I admit it. Suggest you read the entire thread as I backed up my statements with data. You have yet to explain where union employees get their money.
    you were wrong, and your own charts proved you wrong...NEXT!!

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Then using your logic, the private sector is indirectly filtering the money thru the taxing entities to the unions then?AND, if someone that happens to work for a.well, any of these.. buys a bag of pot then its indirectly being paid for by whom?


    It helps when I put my winger ten-foil hat on occasionally.
    Thus the reason that public unions should never be able to collective bargain with taxpayers. FDR got it right.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Its no longer amusing, as it once was, to see the feigned ignorance of some on this issue pretending with a straight face that public employees are neither taxpayers or citizens and are somehow The Other as if they just landed from another planet.
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