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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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Conservative said:
You have explained the law but laws have and continue to be broken. Doesn't look like liberals care much about laws that they don't like. Union membership is dropping, 40% of union employees vote Republican, PACS alone cannot support the money being thrown into campaigns. You want to believe that your dues don't go to campaigns, so bet it. enjoy the fantasy. It is your money and apparently you don't mind wasting it.
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proof...put up or shut up..
 
randel said:
proof...put up or shut up..
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I know how much you need the unions and thus your support. I never needed the unions. You want to live in fantasyland, no problem. Doesn't bother me at all that people like you exist.
 
Conservative said:
I know how much you need the unions and thus your support. I never needed the unions. You want to live in fantasyland, no problem. Doesn't bother me at all that people like you exist.
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by your response, i see you have nothing to offer in the way of proof....either put up or shut up. no one cares what you 'believe'....proof is required.
 
randel said:
by your response, i see you have nothing to offer in the way of proof....either put up or shut up. no one cares what you 'believe'....proof is required.
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Proof cannot be provided without an investigation and this administration isn't going to investigate unions. As I stated, you want to believe that unions don't break the law, then so be it, that is fantasy. It takes guts to take on the thugs and not many have those guts. I never needed unions to take care of me as I always had more pride in myself and more confidence in my abilities. That worked well for me. Obviously you feel differently and need that "help." you want to believe that unions don't spend your dues on campaigns that is your choice. You cannot prove they don't and I cannot prove without an investigation that they do. Keep supporting unions and continue to get less than maybe you can earn for yourself.
 
Proof is still required regardless of excuses. :coffeepap
 
Conservative said:
Proof cannot be provided without an investigation and this administration isn't going to investigate unions. As I stated, you want to believe that unions don't break the law, then so be it, that is fantasy. It takes guts to take on the thugs and not many have those guts. I never needed unions to take care of me as I always had more pride in myself and more confidence in my abilities. That worked well for me. Obviously you feel differently and need that "help." you want to believe that unions don't spend your dues on campaigns that is your choice. You cannot prove they don't and I cannot prove without an investigation that they do. Keep supporting unions and continue to get less than maybe you can earn for yourself.
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again, maybe you are a little slow on the uptake, where is your proof of any wrong doing? you have nothing but accusations...proof is required, not your 'feelings', not what you 'believe' , not what you 'think' is happening....proof...hard concept for you to grasp , i know, but it is required.
 
Boo Radley said:
Proof is still required regardless of excuses. :coffeepap
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I would suggest that anyone alleging or claiming illegal activity needs to properly support their claims with a bit more than their own so-called logic and common sense. That is part and parcel of debate.
 
haymarket said:
I would suggest that anyone alleging or claiming illegal activity needs to properly support their claims with a bit more than their own so-called logic and common sense. That is part and parcel of debate.
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Agreed. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
Proof is still required regardless of excuses. :coffeepap
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Posting the law doesn't prove it isn't happening for as we know liberals thumb their noses at the laws they don't like anyway, i.e. healthcare bill.
 
Conservative said:
Posting the law doesn't prove it isn't happening for as we know liberals thumb their noses at the laws they don't like anyway, i.e. healthcare bill.
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What does this mean? How does it fit into the context of the current discussion?
 
haymarket said:
What does this mean? How does it fit into the context of the current discussion?
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Just goes to show that liberals don't adhere to laws that they don't agree with like the ruling by the Federal Judge that the Healthcare Law is unconstitutional. Using union dues for PAC's is a violation of the law however unions have been known to violate the law on other issues.

It does look like the PAC spending in Wisconsin however was wasted and could have been used for other benefits to the members but as usual union leaders always know what is best for the sheep that follow them.
 
Conservative said:
Just goes to show that liberals don't adhere to laws that they don't agree with like the ruling by the Federal Judge that the Healthcare Law is unconstitutional. Using union dues for PAC's is a violation of the law however unions have been known to violate the law on other issues.

It does look like the PAC spending in Wisconsin however was wasted and could have been used for other benefits to the members but as usual union leaders always know what is best for the sheep that follow them.
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And your proof or authoritative independent evidence that there have been violations of the law in this contest........ would be found where exactly.??????????????????????????
 
Conservative said:
Just goes to show that liberals don't adhere to laws that they don't agree with like the ruling by the Federal Judge that the Healthcare Law is unconstitutional. Using union dues for PAC's is a violation of the law however unions have been known to violate the law on other issues.

It does look like the PAC spending in Wisconsin however was wasted and could have been used for other benefits to the members but as usual union leaders always know what is best for the sheep that follow them.
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translation: i'm screwed, i have no argument, i have no proof, lets see if i can steer the conversation in another direction. put up, or shut up, and it is obvious you can't back your claims...either you have proof or you don't, and you DON'T. YOU LOSE.
 
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Conservative said:
Posting the law doesn't prove it isn't happening for as we know liberals thumb their noses at the laws they don't like anyway, i.e. healthcare bill.
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Again, I don't have to prove it isn't happening. The burden of proof lies with the person saying it is happening. You can't claim a law is being broken without evidence. Absence of evidence means you don't have ****.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, I don't have to prove it isn't happening. The burden of proof lies with the person saying it is happening. You can't claim a law is being broken without evidence. Absence of evidence means you don't have ****.
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This is a good start but doesn't really matter to you does it? Notice that the Supreme Court ruled against mandatory dues of NON MEMBERS not be used for campaign contributions but not about Members contributions. Where is all the money coming from for trying to buy elections in Wisconsin?

The Use of Labor Union Dues for Political Purposes: A Legal Analysis
 
Conservative said:
This is a good start but doesn't really matter to you does it? Notice that the Supreme Court ruled against mandatory dues of NON MEMBERS not be used for campaign contributions but not about Members contributions. Where is all the money coming from for trying to buy elections in Wisconsin?

The Use of Labor Union Dues for Political Purposes: A Legal Analysis
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Notice the silence from those who piled on? Guess a lot of people don't understand the difference between full union paying dues and non union members partial dues and where their money goes. Not surprising that apparently these people are Obama supporters. they are not only duped by Obama but also Union leadership.
 
Conservative said:
Notice the silence from those who piled on? Guess a lot of people don't understand the difference between full union paying dues and non union members partial dues and where their money goes. Not surprising that apparently these people are Obama supporters. they are not only duped by Obama but also Union leadership.
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I'm waiting for you to provide evidence. I linked that earlier.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm waiting for you to provide evidence. I linked that earlier.
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I gave you the link of the Congressional study, there is nothing that prevents unions from using full union member dues for politcal purposes, the issue is with non full paying non members in closed shops. You don't seem to know the difference.
 
Boo Radley said:
Do you have any thing for a less questionable source?


In a line of decisions, the Supreme Court has addressed this issue and has concluded that compulsory union dues of non-members may not be used for political and ideological activities that are outside the scope of the unions’ collective bargaining and labor-management duties when non-members object to such use.

The Use of Labor Union Dues for Political Purposes: A Legal Analysis
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So the facts are correct but you don't like the source i get it
 
Conservative said:
I gave you the link of the Congressional study, there is nothing that prevents unions from using full union member dues for politcal purposes, the issue is with non full paying non members in closed shops. You don't seem to know the difference.
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That was the 88 ruling. You can also continue on down that page and look up state intititives that have led to limit even union member dues being spent. And your page you link aslo states union members can restrict their dues to not be used politically.

Again, you must show 1) it is being done, and 2) that laws are being broken if you claim they are.
 
ptif219 said:
So the facts are correct but you don't like the source i get it
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No, I doubt your what your source passes as fact. your source makes a leap, and offers little to no support.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, I doubt your what your source passes as fact. your source makes a leap, and offers little to no support.
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So what facts make you question it? I see what I have known as a former union member for many years
 
Boo Radley said:
That was the 88 ruling. You can also continue on down that page and look up state intititives that have led to limit even union member dues being spent. And your page you link aslo states union members can restrict their dues to not be used politically.

Again, you must show 1) it is being done, and 2) that laws are being broken if you claim they are.
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The Supreme Court overrules the states, and it is you that doesn't get it, full union paying members can and do have their union dues used for political campaigns, non union members forced to pay some union dues in a union shop AREN'T. Your ideology trumps reality.
 
ptif219 said:
So the facts are correct but you don't like the source i get it
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Where were there any facts? The author merely claims. He states something as if no evidence is needed. he offers no study, no statisitcal evince. He only states something and depends on your willness to accept it.
 
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