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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    no, he is trying to bust the unions.
    No he is trying to stop the abuse of power and the rape of taxpayers money

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No he is trying to stop the abuse of power and the rape of taxpayers money
    nope...he could have chose to sit down and talk/negotiate, and see what he could have gotten in the form of concessions...he chose not to do that..he went straight for the jugular, making no attempt whatsoever at communication with those whom his plan would have consequences for...he is trying to union bust.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    nope...he could have chose to sit down and talk/negotiate, and see what he could have gotten in the form of concessions...he chose not to do that..he went straight for the jugular, making no attempt whatsoever at communication with those whom his plan would have consequences for...he is trying to union bust.
    Sounds alot like what Obama did to GM

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Yeah! Damn unions. How dare you raise worker's compensation, make sure conditions are safe, and promote an overall better work environment!?!?

    http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefi.../143/bp143.pdf


    So evil! They must be destroyed!
    Not destroyed, but a little reality has to set in. The states are swimming in a Red Menace, the country is swimming in a Red Menace, and many of these unions... just like the car companies are a factor in bankrupting us.

    [Milwaukee, Wisconsin] MacIver News Service – For the first time in history, the average annual compensation for a teacher in the Milwaukee Public School system will exceed $100,000.
    http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/...ops-100kyear//
    Someone pays for this... the taxpayer.

    I for one am happy to see the Dems who got their asses kicked hard after The Slim Shady Hope/Change/Tax/Spend socialist cranked up spending and not cutting go public with support... right alongside Pelosi. Perfecto!

    I am happy to see the Socialists come out and defend unions. It's a fight they can only lose, as people are fed up with seeing public sector workers make double those in the private sector.

    In the words of the Long Face Botox... Bring... It... On.

    Walker just defined a good portion of the 2012 fight. Responsibility... getting the state and fed houses in order. He drew the Socialists to the fight like a bug to light. Beautiful.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Sounds like you'd rather take cheap shots then have an intellectual discussion, but then again maybe your not intellectually capable of that.

    I''ll never be so low as to expect others to subsidize my standard of living like many Liberals do, I can earn that myself and I dont need a Union.
    Others subsidize your standard living every day o fthe week and have done so for all of your life and will continue to do so. Thats how it works in a society of 310 million people. We all are in this together. Unless you live isolated on your own island nation -the only cheap shot here is you taking continual ones at people you call 'liberals'. You expressed anger because you had to take hits and now you want others to get hit also. That is not a recipe for success - only FAILURE.

    your own words from your post #25


    I work in the private sector for a Wisconsin company & 2 years or so ago we took a 10% paycut along with suspension of 401k contributions. 40% of the work force was permanently laid off and had to find employment. Now even today with less wages my property taxes go up drastically every year mostly because of the schools. There are many people in the private sector in this state that can tell similar storys

    Tell me sir then why the hell these people should have to pay for State employees cadillac Health & pension plans? when many can hardly make the payment on my house and afford there own plan? These people need to quit there damn whining and take there cut just like most others had to.
    This race to the bottom has to stop and stop today. Instead of wanting to punish your fellow workers because you were punished, you should be in solidarity with them working to stop the downward trends.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    please read this

    Wisconsin Teacher Salary | Teaching Salaries in WI: $46,390

    the radical right wing "source" you used for the teacher salary garbage has been discredited soundly.

    this is from OneWisconsinNow about the source for your 'information'

    Be warned: The MacIver Institute is a not a news service. It is not a member of the traditional media. It is a right wing educational “charitable” organization and it is gathering footage to advance its conservative, anti-worker agenda.

    Talking to the MacIver Institute is abetting the conservative movement in its efforts to ensure progressive values and issues are not a part of the public policy debate. MacIver has spent considerable time criticizing the 2009-11 state budget, the Recovery Act, reforming the health insurance industry and stopping global climate change.

    MacIver is financed and run by leading conservatives, many with long ties to the Republican Party. Speaking on camera with the MacIver Institute helps the conservative movement by giving legitimacy to its faux “reporting,” as its “interviews” are regularly posted on the MacIver website.

    WHO IS THE MACIVER INSTITUTE
    The MacIver Institute is a conservative, pro-corporate organization founded in 2009 to advance conservative ideas and values. Its top staff is long-time Republican campaign strategists and its board of directors includes leading Republicans, most notably Mark Block, the head of Americans for Prosperity-WI, Fred Lubar, deep-pocketed Republican donor and Jim Troupis, lawyer to leading Republicans such as Assembly Speaker Scott Jensen and ethically-challenged Supreme Court Justices Mike Gableman and Annette Ziegler.

    Staff: MacIver’s top staffers include both the former Chief of Staff to Scott Jensen and former GOP state senate caucus head and campaign strategist for top Republicans including Attorney General JB Van Hollen.

    Jensen Ties: Initially, MacIver attempted to distance itself from Jensen, stating through a spokesperson that the former Assembly Speaker has no “formal role” with the organization. An investigation by Eye On Wisconsin's Cory Liebmann revealed that the properties of several initial communications from MacIver included the electronic imprint of Scott Jensen. Milwaukee Magazine also talked with Jensen about his involvement and after a preliminary denial, the reporter wrote “Later, Jensen amended that he is a consultant and his ‘main client’ is Alliance for School Choices.” [Milwaukee Magazine.com, 3/10/09]

    MACIVER METHODS
    MacIver has begun dispatching a new staffer, former Rock County television reporter Bill Osmulski, to events to film events and create conservative propaganda pieces as “news reports.” These “reports” are put onto the MacIver website and available for public consumption.

    ISSUE TARGETS
    MacIver hews to the standard conservative lines and its talking points are echoed in the arguments of the state’s leading Republican elected officials. It has referred to the 2009-11 state budget as “$12.8 billion of bad” and “driven by politics and devoid of principle,” has called health insurance reforms at the federal level “budget busting” and has criticized cap and trade. Its top target though, has been the federal Recovery Act and the use of those funds by the state legislature. In repeated postings on its website, MacIver attempts to make the case the legislature and the federal government failed in efforts to solve the economic crisis created by the failed policies of the Bush administration and that the legislature and federal government have failed to create much-needed jobs. [MacIver Institute Website]

    CREDIBILITY
    Immediately after it hired its phony news “reporter,” MacIver was plunged into controversy when it was confirmed the MacIver staffer had gotten an interview with two elected officials by allowing the two elected officials “to think he was just interviewing the two politicians for a local television station, all three men confirmed...” [Wisconsin State Journal, 9/5/09]

    CONSIDERATIONS
    One Wisconsin Now supports healthy and vibrant public policy discussions and this rightfully requires public officials to regularly talk with the media. This does not apply to the MacIver Institute, an ideologically-driven organization, created to advance a policy agenda, in this case an ultra-conservative one.

    The good news is MacIver can only film and put on its website what an individual says on camera. Any progressive who suddenly finds a MacIver camera thrust in his or her face should consider responding with a smiling response of “I am not interested in speaking with Scott Jensen’s right wing think tank.” As MacIver has been less-than-forthright about Jensen’s potential involvement in its operation, it would be interesting to see if they would post this video on their website.
    No wonder some folks hate unions when they base it on right wing false information fueled by radical ideology.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Others subsidize your standard living every day o fthe week and have done so for all of your life and will continue to do so. Thats how it works in a society of 310 million people. We all are in this together. Unless you live isolated on your own island nation -the only cheap shot here is you taking continual ones at people you call 'liberals'. You expressed anger because you had to take hits and now you want others to get hit also. That is not a recipe for success - only FAILURE.

    your own words from your post #25




    This race to the bottom has to stop and stop today. Instead of wanting to punish your fellow workers because you were punished, you should be in solidarity with them working to stop the downward trends.
    You exactly subsidized me? It is not about punishing anyone or a race to the bottom. It is about paying someone what you feel is right. If Wisc. teachers think they can make more money elsewhere, go for it.

    I also wonder if these teachers are committing fraud when they call in sick, get paid and then go protest.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    You exactly subsidized me?
    We all contribute to the betterment of each other. The read you drive on was not paid for in its entirety by you. The same for many other public service you use. We are all in it together unless you live by yourself on your own island nation.


    It is not about punishing anyone or a race to the bottom. It is about paying someone what you feel is right.
    You should convince some here who seem to feel it is. And I quoted some of it. When you buy goods in a retail situation, it is indeed about paying what you feel is right. Paying taxes and government services is not that sort of situation and it is false and wrong to equate them.


    If Wisc. teachers think they can make more money elsewhere, go for it.
    That is an option. So is staying there and fighting for their rights and working conditions. They have made their choice although I have no doubt some will take your option also.

    I also wonder if these teachers are committing fraud when they call in sick, get paid and then go protest.
    SICK can mean many things. It can impact you phuysically, emotionally, mentally, even all of those together rendering you temporarily ill suited to be in the classroom when other things are weighing so heavilly upon your mind. If my rights were about to be stripped from me, I would certainly be sick about that. I have no doubt that many in Wisconsin are feeling just that.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Yeah! Damn unions. How dare you raise worker's compensation, make sure conditions are safe, and promote an overall better work environment!?!?

    http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefi.../143/bp143.pdf


    So evil! They must be destroyed!
    Unions have outlived their use. They have priced American workers out of the martkets. They protect and represent incompetent people. I agree with you completely...they ARE evil and need to be destroyed. Best way to do that is to let their contracts expire, refuse to rehire any of them, and hire new employees eager to actually be productive at a fair wage.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    We all contribute to the betterment of each other. The read you drive on was not paid for in its entirety by you. The same for many other public service you use. We are all in it together unless you live by yourself on your own island nation.




    You should convince some here who seem to feel it is. And I quoted some of it. When you buy goods in a retail situation, it is indeed about paying what you feel is right. Paying taxes and government services is not that sort of situation and it is false and wrong to equate them.




    That is an option. So is staying there and fighting for their rights and working conditions. They have made their choice although I have no doubt some will take your option also.



    SICK can mean many things. It can impact you phuysically, emotionally, mentally, even all of those together rendering you temporarily ill suited to be in the classroom when other things are weighing so heavilly upon your mind. If my rights were about to be stripped from me, I would certainly be sick about that. I have no doubt that many in Wisconsin are feeling just that.
    My sense is that there is a definition of what sick means in their contract. It has been the view of many that when you decide to become a government worker there are some things you might not be able to do than if you are in the public sector. Should firefighters be allowed to strike? If not can they ask for an unlimited amount of pay and benefits. Can toll workers decide to close the highways if they don't get paid $250K per year? Can police decide they can charge the public for their services, so that if you held up and call 911 the operator can ask for a credit card number. Clearly this is silly, but so is the thought that unions that elect their bosses can decide how much they get to be paid and the pension they get.

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