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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Well, well, well, I knew there was a reason that I didn't respond to you in the past. I used poor judgment and decided to give you another chance. Looks like I was wrong.

    Amazing that this is still about you keeping more of what you earn and I am the only one defending it. Your lack of economic understanding is staggering. Obviously you don't understand that tax cuts mean more take home pay and less need for all that govt. help that you want to promote. I certainly hope that you are sending your tax cuts back since apparently the govt. needs the money more than you do.

    For someone that claims to have served in the military you sure have a distorted view of the U.S. Economy and what drives it. Doubt seriously that you did indeed serve but that is irrelevant. Figure out the components of GDP and get back to me. Then you might be able to figure out how tax cuts and tax increases affect economic growth. The word incentive doesn't seem to exist in the liberal world.
    Please stop with the references to tax cuts and GDP. That's not what this thread is about. Save that for another thread.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Please stop with the references to tax cuts and GDP. That's not what this thread is about. Save that for another thread.
    Why don't you tell others to stop raising the issue and I will stop responding?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Very well then...

    Although not a mod, can we try sticking to the subject at hand, please? I really detest when threads purposely get derailed...makes following the subject matter rather difficult.

    (I'll take the demerit. Back to the thread...)

    Just found this article concerning GOP governors rethinking their approach to public employee unions. It's very evident this isn't a sigular state issue. If it were, I'd probably have alittle bit more sympathy for Wisconsin. But it's not. It's like what AZ did in pushing for immigration reform. Once one GOP state started in a particular issue, it seems every other state with a Republican governor has strived to take up the same mantle. IMO, it's good they're rethinking the issue. Otherwise, I'm afraid a domino effect would insue and every state who tried this tactic would see the exact same counter-tactic tried (re: Wisconsin Dems walking out; it's already happened in Indiana) and state employees banning together to demonstrate. You think things got bad in Greece! GOP...keep trying to silence folks in this way and this country WILL see many more of its citizens rise up and exercise their right to peacefully assemble and have their voices heard!!!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has been punk'd, his office confirmed Wednesday. The Republican governor who is pushing legislation that would end collective bargaining for public employees was at the wrong end of a prank telephone call with a person he believed was David Koch, a conservative billionaire businessman.

    In reality, the caller was Ian Murphy, a blogger from Buffalo, N.Y.

    Koch and his brother, Charles, own Koch Industries, the largest privately owned company in America and one with significant operations in Wisconsin. Its political-action committee gave $43,000 to Walker's campaign, and David Koch gave $1 million to the Republican Governors Association, which funded ads attacking Walker's opponent in last year's election.

    The Kochs also give millions to support Americans For Prosperity, a conservative business group that launched a $320,000 television ad campaign in favor of Walker's legislation Wednesday.

    Posing as David Koch, Murphy makes inflammatory statements on unions and Democrats. Walker says Wisconsin is at the vanguard of a set of states in which conservative governors are battling with workers over union rights. Walker agrees with the impersonator that Wisconsin is the "first domino."

    "This is our moment," he says on the recording.

    Walker also explains potential tactics for breaking the deadlock, including trying to lure Democratic senators who fled the state back to the Capitol to negotiate and then pushing the bill through while Republicans have the quorum needed to move the measure.

    "If you had heard that I was going to talk to them, that would be the only reason why," Walker says on the recording.

    The governor also said he planned to announce Thursday that state workers would start receiving notices that they're at risk for layoff. Walker says 5,000 to 6,000 such notices could be sent.

    At the end of the call, the prankster says: "I'll tell you what, Scott, once you crush these bastards, I'll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time."

    "All right, that would be outstanding," Walker replies, adding the standoff is "all about getting our freedoms back."

    Democrats seized on the recorded comments as evidence that Walker plans to go beyond budget cuts to crushing unions."
    Nation & World | Prank sucks in Wisconsin governor | Seattle Times Newspaper
    It is a scam that means nothing and shows unions and democrats do not have a leg to stand on.

    What did Walker say that he has not said publicly?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Wisconsin teacher salary statistics:

    Rankings
    Average Teacher Salary Rank: 20th
    Starting Teacher Salary Rank: 49th
    Salary raise last year: 4.7%
    Salary raise over 10 years: 21.5%

    How do salaries grow in Wisconsin?
    Starting Salary: $25,222
    Average Salary: $46,390

    Total Expenditures: $8,654,346,758
    Teacher Expenditures: $2,638,094,048
    Percent Spent on Teachers: 30%"
    Wisconsin Teacher Salary | Teaching Salaries in WI: $46,390


    "Public school teachers in Wisconsin earned a combined $75,587 in total average compensation – wages and benefits – in 2010, according to figures from the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction"

    Wisconsin Teachers Earned Average $75,587 in Total Compensation in 2010 | CNSnews.com

    Why again is this extravagant for a professional with 4 - 8 years of college doing one of the most important jobs in the country?
    If you include the money the state pays for the pension fund and health insurance the salary would be much higher

    Liberals and union try to deceive us on this the truth is they are much better off than than the average person in Wisconsin and get 3 months a year vacation
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    If you include the money the state pays for the pension fund and health insurance the salary would be much higher
    I think that is what is meant by "wages and benefits" in the post you quoted.

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Liberals and union try to deceive us on this the truth is they are much better off than than the average person in Wisconsin and get 3 months a year vacation
    Do you have evidence that similarly educated people in the private sector are not paid more than those in the public sector?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    so...CEO huge salaries = GOOD........educator big salaries = BAD. lol.
    They difference is one comes from profit the other from taxpayers

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    yeah...no it's certainly not right. a person running a school district should make a decent salary. why do you oppose that?
    6 figures is way past a decent salary

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I think that is what is meant by "wages and benefits" in the post you quoted.



    Do you have evidence that similarly educated people in the private sector are not paid more than those in the public sector?
    What difference does it make? People are standing in line to be teachers. Let the market speak there like it does everywhere else. There is no direct comparison to the private sector -- OH!!! Unless you want to use private schools. And, historically, those salaries have been lower than those in public schools. So let's use those.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Iíll just address the meat of this rambling, almost incoherent post. Taxpayers PAY WAGES of public employees, for services performed. If taxpayers were funding unions,people that had a hard on against unions(such as yourself) would have been lining up for the last hindered years filing court cases against their money funding unions. End of story,have a good day conservative.:
    They have that is why there are right to work states where you can not be forced to join a union or be forced to pay union dues against your will

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