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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Excerpted from “Are Wisconsin Public Employees over-compensated?” (pdf) By Jeffrey H. Keefe, Economic Policy Institute, February 10, 2011
    … [T]he data indicates that state and local government employees in Wisconsin are not overpaid. Comparisons controlling for education, experience, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability reveal that employees of both state and local governments in Wisconsin earn less than comparable private sector employees. On an annual basis, full-time state and local government employees in Wisconsin are undercompensated by 8.2% compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. …

    This earnings gap between public and private sector employees becomes even more significant as workers gain more education. On average, the private sector pays workers with four-year college degrees and advanced degrees substantially more in the form of higher wages and compensation than does the public sector. State and local workers with a bachelor’s degree make 28% less in salary and 25% less in total compensation, while those with a professional degree make 38% less in salary and 36% less in total compensation. In state and local government, workers with a master’s degree earn on average 29% less in salary and 26% less in total compensation, while those with a doctorate earn 30% less in salary and 29% less in total compensation. …

    Rather than a cause of excessive compensation, unionization is a counterbalance to downward pressures on compensation. It is well known that taxpayers oppose higher taxes and thus exert considerable pressure on elected representatives to resist increases in compensation, creating a formidable incentive and opportunity to hold government pay below market. Unionization represents a viable legal response to employer labor market power. …
    Sorry, just thought we should inject some facts into the conversation. Now, please continue with the mindless blather about how all those public sector workers are ripping off the good people of Wisconsin.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    hmmm....lets put this in perspective....wisconsin has what? a 3.5 billion dollar hole in the budget, the governor hopes to save 30 MILLION by june, and 300 MILLION over what, 3 years by screwing over the working man? lets see....3.5 BILLION minus 330 MILLION in savings by screwing over the working class...seems to me that that leaves 3.17BILLION HOLE IN BUDGET.... nothing more than an attempt to strip away collective bargaining rights of the union...union busting.
    yet you were praising Obama's scheme to save with Obama care

    remind me how much that was supposed to save

    why do PUBLIC unions need COLLECTIVE bargaining when PUBLIC sector employment requires basically equal employment



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree. I'm often struck by how much work goes into demonizing poorer and working folk, which amount to small savings, while ignoring larger problems that favor more wealthy persons. Ideally, a serious effort would at least address both, if not favor the backbone, the working person.
    Because poor people hire no one.

    Doesn't mean I agree with your assessment, but I'm just sayin'.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Because poor people hire no one.

    Doesn't mean I agree with your assessment, but I'm just sayin'.
    most of us don't demonize the poor-even the poor who are poor for the most common reasons-dropping out of school, doing drugs, committing crimes and having children before they are married. what we demonize are the politicians, enablers and institutions who excuse such behavior and actually encourage the permancy of poverty for political reasons. we tire of being told it is our fault that others fail and we are responsible for funding their failure.



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Because poor people hire no one.

    Doesn't mean I agree with your assessment, but I'm just sayin'.
    Maybe not. But they (poor and working folk) do a lot of the working, building wealth for others in this country. You need those who work just as much as you need those who finanace and hire. In the military I was told an army is only as strong as his private. Same with the working force. All parts hold value.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    not in the amounts that republicans do...and please explain to me, as i have never gotten a straight answer when i have asked this question before, why would i, as a union member, intentionally try to run the company i work for out of business, by making outrageous demands? seems to me, if i made them unprofitable, that i could quite possibly, more than likey, screw myself in the process....where is the logic in that?
    Yet that is what you doing in supporting the illegal strike in Wisconsin. Teachers in Wisconsin get paid well. The part the governoer does not want to bargain is insurance and pension

    How much do school teachers in Wisconsin get paid? - True Knowledge

    A school-teacher typically earns $46,707 in Wisconsin.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Maybe not. But they (poor and working folk) do a lot of the working, building wealth for others in this country. You need those who work just as much as you need those who finanace and hire. In the military I was told an army is only as strong as his private. Same with the working force. All parts hold value.
    Then the Unions make democrats powerful and keep their campaign funds full of money

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yet that is what you doing in supporting the illegal strike in Wisconsin. Teachers in Wisconsin get paid well. The part the governoer does not want to bargain is insurance and pension

    How much do school teachers in Wisconsin get paid? - True Knowledge

    A school-teacher typically earns $46,707 in Wisconsin.
    the governor doesnt want to bargain, or even discuss, his proposal, which not only includes insurance and pension, he wants to strip the union of its right to collective bargain those items in the future, he also wants to turn wisconsin into a 'right to work' state......
    he is using the budget shortfall as an excuse to go after organized labor, bottom line..lets be honest, the increases he wants are only a drop in the bucket of that shortfall...he hopes to save 30 mill by june, and another 300 million over 3years, and the budget is short 3.5 billion or so? please explain how stripping unions of their collective bargaining rights is going to balance that wisconsin budget? lets be serious.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    the governor doesnt want to bargain, or even discuss, his proposal, which not only includes insurance and pension, he wants to strip the union of its right to collective bargain those items in the future, he also wants to turn wisconsin into a 'right to work' state......
    he is using the budget shortfall as an excuse to go after organized labor, bottom line..lets be honest, the increases he wants are only a drop in the bucket of that shortfall...he hopes to save 30 mill by june, and another 300 million over 3years, and the budget is short 3.5 billion or so? please explain how stripping unions of their collective bargaining rights is going to balance that wisconsin budget? lets be serious.
    No they can get raises according to consumer price index or could have a referendum on a ballot for voters to voter on. He is trying to stop huge union wage increases

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No they can get raises according to consumer price index or could have a referendum on a ballot for voters to voter on. He is trying to stop huge union wage increases
    no, he is trying to bust the unions.

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